Steps to Writing a Personal Statement

Your personal statement is one of the most important essays you will ever write, no stress, right? Today I am breaking down the steps to writing your personal statement so it isn’t quite so daunting. I also have a FREE Two Week Personal Statement Challenge to help you get your first draft on paper.

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LOGISTICS: The essay is 5000 characters, including spaces. This trips up a lot of people when they finish writing their essay and enter it on CASPA; it will end up over the character limit because of not accounting for spaces. 5000 characters including spaces comes out to a little over a page, single spaced, regular 12 font. 

Keep in mind, if you have to reapply, your personal statement does not carry over between cycles. That is one thing that you would have to resubmit. Once you've submitted your application, you cannot change your personal statement. Make sure that first submission has it exactly the way you want it. It also needs to be general and not specific to a program because you have one essay that goes to every single program. You may have supplemental essays that are specific for each program.

PROMPT: Usually, this is some variation of “Why do you want to be a PA?” Most recently, it was “Discuss your motivations for becoming a physician assistant, and explain why you chose the physician assistant career.” Keep this prompt in mind as you're writing. Your essay will be copied directly in CASPA. However, that should not be the only place you write it. I recommend using Google Docs online to save automatically instead of a Word Document. Save frequently so you can copy and paste it into CAPSA. 

So let’s discuss! What does it take to have a really great essay?

  1. BRAINSTORMING PHASE: First and foremost, for those who are not applying currently but may be applying in the next few years, you are in a “brainstorming” phase. Open a note on your phone or have a document somewhere – just jot down ideas. If you see a patient who leaves an impression on you and makes an impact, go ahead and write it down. A year, or two years from now, you may not remember those important encounters. Keep a running list so when it comes to write, you’re not staring at a blank piece of paper and feeling writers’ block.

  2. PLANNING OUT THE WRITING PHASE: I recommend starting your essay no later than the January before you apply to PA school. The application opens up in April, and you don’t want to be scrambling in April, May, or June to get your essay done. You will have plenty of other stuff to do like entering transcripts and keeping up with letters of recommendation. Your personal statement ideally should be done before you get to the application. Give yourself time, making sure there are no errors and then get others’ opinions.

My favorite way to write and your preference may be difference. What works for me is just getting words on paper. It can seem more difficult if you are trying to write the perfect introduction and not feeling like you have anything to say. That may come later! Don’t feel like you have to write your essay in order, but just get some thoughts on paper. Pour out your words and passion about why you want to be a PA and then change it and edit later. Your first draft will definitely not be your last draft and may not even have the same main ideas. 

Sit down for 30 minutes with no distractions, no computer, no email, no phone. If you want to type it, that's fine. If you want to write it, that's fine. Think about what has influenced your decisions, gotten you to the point of applying, and your other pivotal moments. 


  1. CONTENT: These are the questions that I'm looking for answers to in your essay.

    • What made you interested in medicine?

      You need to show that this is not a last-minute decision; but something that has developed. You don’t need a dramatic story or event that made you interested in medicine. For me, I’ve always been interested in science. My sister had some health problems as a child, which exposed me to medicine. Honestly, I prefer the essays that are not as dramatic. You can read my personal statement here.

    • How did you find out about the PA profession?

      To become a PA, you most likely considered other medical professions at some point, especially medical school, because they're so similar. I found out about the PA profession through my dad. He had a doctor's appointment for a cold and ended up seeing a PA. He thought she was great, and came back home and told me about it. You want to show how you found out about the profession and describe your journey through this process. It needs to relate back to the prompt!

    • What appealed to you about the PA profession?

      Don’t feel like you need to compare med school vs PA school directly in the essay, especially because you are limited on space. Break down where your interests came from and focus on more than just the perks of the career. Talk about the day to day responsibilities of working with a physician, working as part of a team, and the job itself. Emphasized getting to take care of patients and being directly involved with their care. You can mention the flexibility and lateral mobility, but those should not be the primary reasons you want to be a PA; it should be about the patients more than your benefit.

    • Do you have a good understanding of what PAs do?

      I want to know you have a good understanding of what PAs do, and this comes from your shadowing or work experience with PAs. If you read your essay and think you could have pulled the information from Google, then you are probably being too generic and general. Avoid generic and include things that are specific to you and what you saw. Anytime you can use a specific example or story in your essay, that's more effective. Show more than tell that you know what a PA is and what they do, and use those experiences to model the type of provider you want to be as a PA.

      I've read so many essays that don't even say the phrase “physician assistant” or “PA” until the conclusion or the last two paragraphs. PA should be stated much sooner in your essay because that is the main idea and focus of your essay.

    • What will make you a successful PA student?

      I want to know how you've prepared to be successful as a PA student. Keep in mind that you're currently applying for a spot as a PA student, not yet as a PA. Show the programs that you're academically prepared with your current history and GPA, upward trends, and strong time management skills needed to succeed as a PA student.

  2. ORGANIZATION:

    Ideally, the events in your essay should go in chronological order. Sometimes when I read essays, the events jump all over the place, and I can’t focus on the main points because it’s hard to follow. If you reread it and have a lot of questions, or someone editing has a lot of questions, that is a red flag! Admissions committees read thousands of essays. They should not have to try very hard to figure out what you are talking about.

    Don’t sleep on your conclusion. A distinct conclusion needs to sum up your strengths and reiterate why you are the best choice as a PA student in their program. Don’t skimp on the conclusion because of the character limit.

  3. EDITING:

    I want to see correct spelling, grammar, and punctuation. With abbreviations, fully write out an abbreviation first, and then throughout the rest of your essay, you can write PA for example, instead of physician assistant. You would write “physician assistant (PA)” at first, and then you can use PA throughout the rest of your essay.

    Look at content and make sure that everything relates back to the prompt of “Why do you want to be a PA?” In addition, the story needs to be easy to follow – can I figure out what is going on without too many questions or feeling confused?

    • Consider getting an outside opinion.

      • I do think it is important to have other people read your essay. You can read your own essay over and over, and you will never feel like it is done. Eventually, you will have to submit. By getting others’ opinions who know your voice or who do not know your voice, that can help ensure you have a strong essay. Friends and family can help make sure it sounds like you. However, the one caveat - if someone is not familiar with the PA school application process or profession, take their advice with a grain of salt because they may offer advice that is not applicable. For example, I don’t think creative writing stories are appropriate for this type of essay. In addition, try to have a PA read your essay. But again, if they aren't really involved in that process, they may or may not give you the best advice.

      • If you are in undergrad, look into resources at your school. If you have a writing center, or an advisor, or someone who can help you with your essay, take advantage. The PA Platform also offers essay editing services.

      • Warning! I definitely encourage you to join our pre-PA Facebook group. However, be careful of asking random people to read your essay. They may be writing their own essay and decide to “borrow” parts of yours if it’s very good. Brian has actually heard of that happening at a school where two people ended up turning in the same essay, which is terrifying to me. Definitely make sure that anyone you're letting read your essay that you trust them.

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How do I bring up something that may be a red flag? Or should I? How do I talk about it? My rule of thumb is to only bring an issue up if you think it needs explaining and would prevent you from getting an interview. One or two Cs probably doesn't need explaining, but a full rough semester or an overall low GPA may need addressing to give you a chance to clarify. Supplementals offer the opportunity to go more in depth. If you have faced any legal issues, you do have to disclose those on your application. CASPA has a little spot to talk about them. However, if you feel like you need to go more in depth, be positive, get straight to the point, and be as direct as possible. Do not blame a teacher. Do not blame your circumstance. Just explain what happened, and how you can improve. The most important thing is that you own what happened and show improvement from the experience.

Here are some general mistakes:

“Physician's assistant” – If you put this in your essay, and I'm editing, you are going to get ALL RED, BOLDED TEXT. Make sure you know the name of the career you are applying for. There is no apostrophe s in the name. It’s just physician assistant. I don’t personally take offense to a misspelling like this, but you never know who will be reading your essay.

Confusion with timing and jumping back and forth – The writer will talk about working where they work now, but then go back to where they used to work. And then when they shadowed this one time. It's just hard for you to figure out how you actually made decisions with that type of format.

Grammar, punctuation and spelling again!!!

This is a big one. Taking the focus away from you. It's good to use stories and examples, But be cautious that you do not let the focus become on the subject of your story. If you're talking about a patient or your grandma, I should still learn more about you and your role in that story then I do about the person you are talking about. I don’t want to know more about Miss Smith than I know about you. Don’t waste that space on someone else, keep the focus on you

Quotes and clichés - Please don't start your essay with a random quote. It's just not effective and it uses space. Same thing with rhetorical questions and speech. It messes with the flow. Try to use different wording to avoid those types of situations. Also, you don't need to say to the reader, “Thank you so much for your consideration.” These types of phrases just aren't necessary in this type of formal essay.

Check out my Personal Statement Mistakes video on Youtube to help you avoid making some of the most common mistakes people make when it comes to writing their personal statement.

For Reapplicants → The reason why you want to be a PA may not change, but the personal statement should not stay the exact same as the previous cycle. Use some different examples or a different format. Also, if you do reapply to a program and met the minimums, but did not get an interview, really think about your essay and see if that may have been the reason you didn't get interviews.


Mission Trips as a Physician Assistant - with Hands of Esperanza, a PA-run Non-Profit

I’m so excited to share today’s episode because it has personally inspired me to consider what we, as PAs, can do to serve patients and people more. I'm chatting with Eryn and Ashley from @handsofesperanza, a non-profit providing healthcare to rural areas of Guatemala. Listen to the story of how this organization was born out of a PA school mission trip, but has become such an asset to the Guatemalan community. If you’ve been curious about global health or medical missions, we have some great ways for you to consider getting involved. Learn more at https://www.handsofesperanza.org/.

This blog post can also be listened to as a podcast episode on The Pre-PA Club Podcast. Listen to it here!

Ashley: I’m Ashley, I’m a physician assistant in Atlanta. We all went to PA school in Nova Southeastern University in Orlando, FL. I went into surgery, and had a couple of different experiences but I currently work in transplant and hepatobiliary surgical-oncology, which is a mouthful, but that's where I practice now. And today, we want to talk about our mission work and our nonprofit in Guatemala.

Eryn: My name is Eryn, I live in Tampa, Florida, and I currently work in the emergency room as a PA, a little easier to say haha. I also went to Nova Southeastern University in Orlando, and I'm also working on the same mission with Hands of Esperanza! 

Savanna: Great! So when did y'all graduate? 

Hands of Esperanza: We graduated in 2016 and 2018. 

Savanna: Okay, and I was ’14, awesome! Can one of you give me the mission of Hands of Esperanza, and how it got started.

Ashley: Sure! So we have been kind of a group collectively for the past five and a half years. We started this mission trip my very first year in PA school in 2014, because when we all came to NOVA, we didn't have a mission trip. A lot of us felt very passionately that we wanted to do something and were interested in global health, at least in when we had more free time during divided breaks in between semesters. We were like, this is something that we would like to create and make a legacy at our program. So we started brainstorming, and we had a few very trusted advisors at the program at the time. One of our professors there she said they do medical work in Guatemala with her church, we trust the people there, and we have an organization that we work with, if that’s where you guys would like to go. So that's where it all started. So we took our first mission trip there in 2015, after we finished our first didactic year. We had about 20 students go. We had one PA and one nurse who went with us. So we did three days of remote rural clinics, and then we did a few days of volunteering in hospitals, seeing the local orphanage there. Immediately after we went, a handful of us said that this is not something that we can walk away from, never come back to. This is something that we felt like would be part of our lives for forever, to be quite honest. So the next year, that class overwhelmingly was like, we want to go back to where you guys went. Let's make this a legacy. Eryn’s class was the third class that went. 

Fast forward to June 2019, we were able to form our own non-profit, which is called Hands of Esperanza. We did that because we are fundraising for our largest project in Guatemala, which is to build a multi-specialty medical and surgical center within the community that we serve that will allow us to provide more sustainable access to health care for the patients that we treat. Because right now, we hike to the villages. We carry all of our medical supplies, and we do this because we're young and healthy right now, but some of us are turning a little older, and our patients are a little older too! One of our oldest patients is 80, and it's very difficult for them. They do this every day, when they need to get somewhere, but we would like to be able to provide them with the opportunity to come and see us in a more accessible environment year round when our groups like ours are unable to be there. And I'll let Aaron talk a little more about it too because she has been involved since pretty much the beginning of the organization. 

Eryn: Yeah. It's actually really crazy one of the reasons I went to PA school was so I could do global medicine, start going on mission trips, and make an impact, not only in the United States, but in other countries as well. And I remember Ashley came and presented to our class trying to promote the mission trip, and I was so amazed! And PA school gets so crazy, we’ve all done it, I was like, “how will I fit in this mission trip?!” on top of all of this studying and everything. So I originally decided not to go. I was thinking about it for weeks, and I was like, “I can’t not go; this is why I went into medicine.” And then once I saw Guatemala and saw the work that they were doing over there, I have not been able to leave it. So, that's how my role got started. Once I went for the first time, I just knew I couldn’t not go back. So I went back last year, and the year before that as well. 

Savanna: So how many times a year are y’all going to Guatemala? 

Hands of Esperanza: Right now, just once a year. Every August we go for like 10 days, but probably with the clinic, we will start going more often because we'll have more opportunities and a stable set-up. We actually have the infrastructure to be able to do that. It's difficult for us to be able to bring groups that can do a little bit less with their mobility; we're asking them to bring in all this equipment to do more advanced things that require more surgical equipment and things like that. We have a cleft palate group that comes right now, and that's obviously not something that you can bring to a very remote area. It requires a lot of equipment, a lot of anesthesia, things like that. So when we're able to actually bring groups into the clinic, we'll have more groups coming more times of the year  that will be able to provide more specialty care. In addition, we actually have people in Guatemala; we have local doctors and nurses that have offered to provide services at the clinic for free or reduced prices at no cost to patients. And so that's something that we're really excited about too! We really want to go more than 10 days out of the year, but that’s just not possible haha. 

Savanna: So what happens on your mission trips? I've been on a couple; I went to Kenya and El Salvador. And it’s hard to explain exactly like what to expect, but what's kind of the breakdown of the trip? 

Hands of Esperanza: Great question, so ours is pretty unique. We've already touched a little bit on the remoteness of the clinics and how we set up. But for us, what we really wanted to do was offer the PA students an opportunity to be able to see patients and kind of use this as their first clinical experience because they're doing this in between their didactic here and their clinical year. So, they've learned everything right? You studied everything; you know how hard PA school has been and how many books you've read. And so this is really their first opportunity to use all those physical diagnostic skills and everything. 

The first day we get there, we hike to a remote village. It depends on the length, but usually the Guatemalans take about half the time that it takes us haha. So we get there, unpack, set up rooms, try to triage patients into an area they need. We have primary care, pediatric care, and an OBGYN room. And we go from there. We typically see me around 200 to 300 patients a day, depending on how many show up. It’s not a steady flow; it’s usually these bursts of people because they're walking from different villages and it takes them like three to four hours to walk there. And sometimes people are waiting for us when we get there first thing in the morning. So it can also be kind of chaotic! 

Once the students kind of get the hang of things, over the course of the week, it does become more organized. We are able to do 4 of these days. We are most often at a school that is pretty rudimentary; it is 4 walls with open air, a dirt or concrete floor. We set up exam stations on desks the students normally use. If we are lucky, they will have tables and chairs. And we tell students, you know, you're not going to have lab values, you're not going to have x-rays, you're going to have to go based on a lot of your history-taking ability and your diagnostic skills. So, that's really a good learning experience for them there. 

Then after those 4 days, we actually have a full day where we go volunteer at a hospital. And so they get to participate in emergency room triage and acute care, participate in labor and delivery, and scrub into some surgeries! One of our members got to scrub into a surgery, and she actually went into surgery as a PA, which I don’t know if that’s why, but it was actually really cool. They also get to see the inpatient side of things; they'll participate in rounds and stuff like that. For the most part, that's the actual mission work that our students are able to do. 

We also do some stuff while we're in the villages, as well. So, our main focus is medicine, but one of our other focuses is actually building stoves. We see a ton of respiratory problems! Because their only option right now is to cook on an open flame, and they're constantly breathing in smoke. So one of our projects is building these stoves that have actual chimneys and allow the smoke to escape from the house. We built 25 stoves last year, and we have been there for 4 or 5 years, so we have definitely made an impact in this way. And then we'll also paint the school, really just do whatever they need help with in the village with our extra manpower we have. We've also built some water filtration systems because a lot of them have worms or different illnesses stemming from the water because they don’t understand that boiling the water is healthier. So we built this filtration systems, and those will last for about 20 years. And once we are able to install it, then we educate them on how to use it. And I'm glad Eryn brought that up because we try to give them preventative and public health education, which is really important! And these patients don't actually speak Spanish; most of them speak a Mayan dialect called Poqomchiʼ. So, this adds to the complexity of what we're doing there. Going from 95% of our volunteers only speaking English, so we go from English to Spanish to Poqomchiʼ. There are also 2 other languages spoken there! So, if you get one of those stations, you have to find an even more unique translator. But it’s a very unique experience. Our students come back from this trip saying, “Oh my gosh, how is this even something we are allowed to do? This is so cool; we really think this is a mission trip we haven’t been on before, and we don’t see with other programs.” So we're very thankful that we found it and provide the opportunity to continue going! 

Savanna: Yeah, I'm super impressed by just how organized everything seems, like the logistics. This is way cooler than I even thought. And you answered my next question about language barriers too! So i the clinics, what do you all see as far as medical need, like what medical conditions do you see most commonly and how are you actually able to help them from a medical standpoint?  

Hands of Esperanza: Like I mentioned before, with respiratory problems, we are able to bring a nebulizer and breathing treatments, which helps a lot. We also see a lot of worms from the water, so we bring deworming medication. And then really one of our main jobs is education. So we are not just handling them medicine, a breathing treatment, and telling them to go on their way. We explain to them why they are feeling that way, teach them they need to boil their water to get rid of worms, and things like that. We also see scabies, and we can’t just treat one person in the family for scabies, so we need the whole family there. We explain you need to boil your sheets and things like that. In summary, a lot of upper respiratory issues, GI issues, lots of aches and pains since they're doing a lot of manual labor. I've never seen someone so happy to just receive Tylenol and a lidocaine patch in my entire life! I’m sure we will touch on it later, but it really speaks to the gratitude of this patient population when you see them smile. 

We also take care of some things that require a bit of procedures. We have drained abscesses, removed very superficial lipomas, keeping into consideration where they are going back to as well. We removed someone’s Nexplanon this year too. We have also removed foreign bodies that have caused them a lot of pain while walking and stuff like that. There are a lot of foreign bodies in ears, usually insects. 

Savanna: Oh no! 

Hands of Esperanza: Yeah! We also have some things you wouldn’t normally see. We had a machinery murmur last year, and all the students came around and listened. So, lots of very interesting things, but most of the stuff is pretty basic. I think the biggest barrier that we encounter is the nutritional problems. We are not going to be able to fix all of that. This is a poverty stricken area; about 83% of the population lives below the poverty line of Guatemala. So telling them they need to eat a healthy diet, stop doing things that are causing you to have GERD, stuff like that, is very simple because they only eat what they have, and they eat very little of it. 

Something else that is cool is that I also spend a lot of time in the OBGYN clinic. And we've seen a lot of STDs, and the number of people with STDs are dramatically dropped since we started going there. Because we started treating them and educating them on how they're transmitted. This year, by far, was the least amount of STDs we have had. STD, worms, and URIs we saw a lot less this year! From the time we started five years ago to this year, because it’s a public health initiative and public health education, I do think it’s really made an impact. We will also bring toothbrushes and teach them how to brush their teeth, or we also bring reading glasses. It’s amazing when someone wears a pair of reading glasses, and they haven’t been able to see well in years. They put one on and they will be amazed.

Savanna: That is so cool! Wow. So I’m going to just ask you guys questions I get all the time about mission trips. So what can a PA do on a mission trip? Do you still have to have a supervising or collaborating physician? Are there any just limitations?

Hands of Esperanza: That’s a good question! The barriers we encounter the most with that is when we are in the U.S. ordering medications to take with us. We have to have a physician prescriber sign off and have it delivered to their office, which we do. After we get to Guatemala, we are not required to have a physician accompany us. 

We actually have all of our medical licenses registered with the Ministry of Health there, so what we are doing is very kosher. We are not just going into their country and saying, “I’m going to treat you now. My name is so-and-so, and I’m your doctor.” We do not tell them anything that is not true; we tell them what we are, and they understand they are seeing students who are being supervised. The organization we work with there actually takes our licenses and does all of that for us. They make sure the country and the Ministry of Health know we are there. 

It’s a little bit different if you are going for a surgery trip obviously; a surgeon and an anesthesiologist or CRNA will probably be required. But for us to practice basic primary care medicine, they do not have any laws requiring a physician there. It’s obviously based on country, but for us it is not. 

I don't ever feel like we're lacking in the department; we have so many specialties across the 15 PAs that we have. We have ICU, pediatrics, a  lot of ER, a lot of surgery. Everyone is kind of spread out, and we have have people with some background before PA school that helps too. So

We have a wide breadth there. And then we also have physicians that come with us on a trip, but they're usually volunteers. They do add a lot to the trips, but we don’t feel like we rely on them to tell us what to do. 

Savanna: Okay great, so are there any opportunities for other students like pre-PAs, undergrads, PA students from other schools, to get involved? I'm already brainstorming all these different ways through fundraising and collecting supplies – I love that this is a PA organization, and what are some practical ways people can help? 

Hands of Esperanza: There are so many ways! Honestly, the first way is that people just listen to what we have to say, and they help us spread awareness about our mission. The second way is donation. That could be financial donation, supplies donation, or donation of your time as a volunteer. On our website, we have a list of commonly used over the counter medications and supplies. If you have a question, you can reach out and contact us. You can send us an email to handsofesperanza@gmail.com, very easy to remember. A third way is volunteering time. The organization we work with in Guatemala is called Living to Serve, and they support trips year round. We may be going on medical trips, but they have groups all the time that have different focuses. For example, they have high school students come from churches. It doesn’t matter what your ages are, what your level is, and so on. They don’t necessarily hike to these same villages, so the ability to hike doesn’t have to be there either. There's tons of opportunities, and if people are interested in setting up a trip where they maybe build stoves or water filtration systems, or a volunteer at an orphanage or the local nursing home there. There is a lot of opportunity. If you are pre-PA, and you want to do something with public health education, that is certainly somewhere you could get involved. We can always talk to Rudy with Living to Serve and see if there is an opportunity there. But there are lots and lots and lots of opportunities and we're always happy to field any inquiries if you have one! And honestly Rudy is the nicest human in the whole world, and anybody who wants to help in any way he will find a way to get you there and get a group going! 

Savanna: Okay awesome, so definitely spreading awareness which we can do. So how much does it cost to build or install a stove?

Hands of Esperanza: Around $200-250 per stove. They have done research in countries –when people who receive these donations have something invested in the project, they’re more likely to use it. They did this project with mosquito nets in Africa. They just gave our mosquito nets, and when they came back, the residents were using them for all different purposes. They were using them as shopping bags to carry groceries, using them for fishing, using them for all kinds of things, even though they were provided with education and these life saving mosquito nets. So then they asked them to contribute 5% of the cost of the mosquito nets, and suddenly, the use of these nets completely changed. When they came back, the mosquito nets were all being used for their intended purpose. 

So that’s one thing about this community – they are incentivized to use the stoves. They are asked to contribute a very small amount, like we said the poverty line is very high here, but they contribute to the stoves, come and pick up the stove material, deliver them to their houses. But the stoves are pretty rudimentary, and they're basically cinder blocks that get stacked. There's a place where you can put the wood, light it, and it heats up. There is a large metal slab on top that has little burners. The area where the wood heats up in the center has an outlet that's a very thin piece of metal, and it goes out of the roots. And then there's a protective wire on the outside. So that’s it! And a lot of the money that the students raise for their mission trip every year contributes to that.

Savanna: How much are y'all anticipating the clinic will cost? 

Hands of Esperanza: A conservative cost right now for a two level, multi-specialty clinic, including a surgery center, would be $450,000. We've already purchased the land, and we've already started construction on the perimeter wall. So that was a large chunk of money. Land in Guatemala is not cheap. We have collected $50,000 so far, and we are fortunate that we have a company that wants to double match our donations. So we are very close to our goal in order to double match to get the $450,000. We've got about $100,000.

Savanna: Wow. That is awesome! Oh yeah and that brings up another limitation. So a lot of people worry about the finances of going on a trip like this. Do y'all have any thoughts or advice on how much a trip would cost to go on, and how people can make it happen? 

Hands of Esperanza: So ours isn’t that expensive compared to other mission trips. We charge $1,100, including the flight, all the main meals excluding snacks, so everything included! When I was in PA school, I funded that through GoFundMe. Family members and I raised the money pretty quick because when people hear about what we are doing over there, they get pretty excited. But compared to other mission trips I’ve heard about, the price is usually double that. And the fact that everything is included I think justifies this overall. If you're going to go somewhere like Africa or India where there is a longer flight, that is obviously a higher cost. But for us, this was the lowest cost. 

Savanna: Alright, so you all said that this is something you see yourselves participating n for life. What do you see as kind of the future for Hands of Esperanza?  

Hands of Esperanza: The clinic is in the forefront of everyone's mind right now. That's what we're really focused on. Once we have the clinic, I would love to be able to provide more specialty care for people. We have seen crazy things that we just don’t have the providers to provide for. Maybe it’s something surgically advanced, like a head and neck surgery. We saw child last year who needed craniofacial specialist, and those things are just not accessible in the area. The area we are in is 6 hours away from Guatemala City. There are certain labs that their main hospital is not able to do, it has to be sent to Guatemala City. A TSH result for instance takes 2 weeks. We want to help bridge that gap, whether lab work or bringing specialty care. Those are some long-term goals. We also want to be able to provide sustainable healthcare, preventative care, and screenings. There is a very high rate of death from cervical cancer in this population of women; if we could offer something as simple as free cervical cancer screening, that would be something that could dramatically impact these women. Big long term goals there! 

We are also focused on the sustainable products as well just because that's one of my major roles. I was talking to somebody who was brought up in Guatemala when we were there last year, and she made us aware that there are a lot of kids in villages who pass away simply because they won’t latch onto their mothers. So they have no way to feed; they don’t have any formula. So stuff like that would be so simple for us to contribute to. We are looking to get breast pumps donated to help the mothers feed their children who have trouble latching. 

Also in the future, we would love to bring more groups of students, especially from other programs. Where I am at in Georgia, there are programs where you can do your OBGYN in Peru. I think that’s incredible and it that offers so much insight. And you are so limited if you only do rotations in America, in your little city in America. Maybe you are like us in Orlando where there are a lot of other programs competing for rotations, so if you are able to broaden what you see and what you are exposed to, maybe that will change who you are as a provider and allow you to think a bit more about what type of patient you are treating. I’m sure Eryn has in the ER in Tampa, but I know for sure in my job in all the areas I have worked in, you have patients that come in who only speak Spanish from Central America. And there’s a piece of me that understands that patient better. I’m not going to be one of those providers that is going to talk over them because I don’t speak Spanish, and they only speak Spanish, and I just go get the translator but we are going to breeze over them. That’s never the kind of provider I want to be. It’s so easy to do that though, if you don’t have that exposure. So long story short, we would love more opportunities for PA students to be exposed to that population! Yeah and PAs too! I just know I’m a completely different provider than I would have been if I was never over there. You just see so much. 

Savanna: What is one tip you would give to someone who has never been on a mission trip? I’ll say mine too. 

Hands of Esperanza: I would say my biggest thing is just being flexible. 

Savanna: Shoot that’s mine too! Hahaha.

Hands of Esperanza: Yeah you literally think you have a certain role, and it’s never that role. We’ll get to the clinic and a triage is just not going to work that day due to the set up of the clinic. We will throw you into a provider role, or throw you into playing with kids that day because there are a lot of kids that day. So just being flexible. And honestly, that’s what being a PA is. 

And very similar to that – go into a mission trip being very open minded and not having an expectation. Every mission trip I've been on, this will be my 6th year going on this trip, but I’ve been to other mission trips to other countries, and Guatemala was really different from Ecuador from the Dominican Republic and so on. So just go into it with an open mind, allow it to change you and shape you. I think people will have a really awesome opportunity.

Savanna: Yeah and they’ll probably get more out of it. Mine is along those lines. When I went to Kenya, it was a derm specific trip. Out of the 12 of us, I was the only one who brought a stethoscope. Everyone was like, “we are just seeing derm stuff!” And I was like, “No we are not” haha I can guarantee that. It turned into more of a multi-specialty clinic for those few days, with one stethoscope. All right, well, where can everyone get more information and contact you and all those fun things?

Hands of Esperanza: Yeah our website is https://www.handsofesperanza.org/ Those of you who are not bilingual, Esparanza means hope. We are not necessarily the hands of hope; we think hope is a two way street. When we are there, we hope we give our patients hope, but we also get that from our patients. They give us a renewed sense of faith in what we're doing and how we're practicing medicine. You can find ways to donate and find ways to get involved. There is also a contact button on there. You can email us at handsofesperanza@gmail.com, and our Instagram is @handsofesperanza. We frequently update and would love to have you guys follow. Eryn will be updating as well, so follow along! 
Savanna: Well thank y’all so much! 


PA School Mom: What Having a Baby in PA School is Really Like - Interview with Nora

Nora is a current PA student with a very interesting story. While first planning to attend PA school in New York, an unexpected pregnancy forced Nora to reconsider her plans and make some tough decisions. Long story short, she is now in PA school with an infant. We talk through how she handles being a mom and a PA student.

This interview is also a Pre-PA Club Podcast Episode that you can listen to here.

Nora: Hi everyone, my name is Nora. I'm originally from Ghana, but I came to Minnesota about 10 years ago. I did my undergrad at St. Cloud State University in biomedical science. I was there for probably five years, and then I moved to Connecticut, where I live right now. I started working at a hospital as a CNA, and I have pretty much been here since then. I started PA school in August of 2019, and I’m done with my first trimester at Sacred Heart University. 

Savanna: Did you know through undergrad and your experiences that that you wanted to go the PA route, or did that come kind of later on?

Nora: Basically, when I was almost about to graduate. I didn't actually know what a PA was until my brother was seen by a PA. He was born with cerebral palsy and also has epilepsy. So he was having seizures that were getting worse. And so we saw a neurologist and on the team, there was a PA. Initially I didn't know who she was to be honest. She did talk to us a lot, explained a lot of things, was very easy-going. But I didn’t know what her role was, and we started to talk and she told me that she is a PA and talked about what she did. I thought it was interesting, and I was about to graduate. I honestly didn't know what I wanted to do. I was so focused on pharmacy for such a long time because my mom is a pharmacist, but then I realized that I wasn't really interested in that. And so I did shadow that PA, and I decided this is something that I think I could do, and I could possibly be good at it. I had a couple of more classes to finish. And before I could apply to PA school, I decided to go ahead and shadow a couple more PAs. I decided that this is what I want to do; I want to be able to talk to patients like the way she talked to us and explain things to us. She made us feel very comfortable, and she really had the time for us, so that is where I really appreciated most about her job.  

Savanna: Okay, so when it came time to apply, you took extra classes, got your experience, all that. And what did your application process look like? 

Nora: For the most part it was pretty straightforward. I think the thing that I struggled with the most was my personal statement because writing is not my strongest suit, so I felt like I had so many things that I wanted to say and so many things that I wanted to share, but I just didn't know how to put it together. I did write my personal statement over quite a number of times, and I had different people read over it. I had a couple of PAs look over it as well before I finally submitted it; that was like my last thing. I had gotten everything else including my recommendations, my transcripts, and everything else. But the personal statements was the last thing that I finally finished. I also knew how many schools I should apply to, and if that was going to be my first cycle, if that was going to be just a test kind of cycle versus an actual cycle. So I was kind of on the edge, and I was like, Oh, I'm going to try my best to get into school this cycle, but then if I don’t, it's not going to be the end for me basically. So yeah, those are the things I probably struggled with the most during the application cycle, but for the most part it was pretty straightforward.

Savanna: So how many schools did you end up applying to? 

Nora: 

So I applied to five and then I got three interviews. I declined one, and I went for the other two and got into those two programs.

Savanna: Okay, well that’s great, obviously you had an impressive application and impressive interview skills! Okay, so then tell us what happened? 

Nora: 

So both programs I got into were in New York. Initially, that was my plan, I wasn’t planning to stay in Connecticut. I wanted to go to New York, and I was trying to decide between the two programs. And then I found out I was pregnant. That was unexpected but exciting. And I was like, what am I doing next? 

Savanna: Yeah, so can you give us a timeline of kind of like when you were accepted, when you found out you're pregnant, and when you were supposed to start school? 

Nora: 

I was accepted into the first program in September 2017. I went to the interview for the second program in March 2018, and I found out two weeks later. The first program was supposed to start June 2018, and the second one was supposed to start in August 2018. I thought I was pregnant beginning in June of 2018, right before the first program was supposed to start. So I did call the program. And I spoke to the director and told him, this is what's going on. So he said that you can defer because he had a student like that last year, who was in the same situation. So they allowed me to defer. I was like, why don’t I just keep my options open, so I called the other program because I had never told them my answer. I asked them, just to see how what their reaction would be, and they also said you could defer because we have had students do that. So I deferred both programs.

When it sunk in, I was like, realistically, it doesn’t make sense for me to move to New York, considering my family is here in Connecticut, and I’m going to have a baby. I’m going to be in PA school; I’m going to need help. I can’t go to New York; my family is here. So, that's when I decided to reapply in the next cycle; that was a last minute thing. Getting towards the end of the cycle, I was like, I can’t go to New York, so let me just apply and see what happens. If it doesn’t, I tried. 

Savanna: Oh my gosh, you're so brave. But I think all that just shows how much you really, really wanted to be a PA. Awesome. 

Nora: 

Yeah I mean once I set my mind to going down this route, I thought that just because I’m going to have a baby, that isn’t something that is necessarily going to stop me. I still definitely wanted to do it. I thought you know, the best thing to do at that point was to try to get into a  program here in Connecticut and to stay here in Connecticut.

Savanna: Okay, so you kind of last minute decided to reapply, kind of forget the programs in New York, and you had proved to yourself that you could get into PA school, which is awesome. So, does that mean you went through the interview season pregnant? 

Nora: 

Yeah so I decided to apply to two programs. I got a call for an interview at the first program, that was at Sacred Heart, where I am now. At that point, I think I was around 7 months or so pregnant, so yeah I was showing as pretty pregnant at that point haha. Yeah it was nerve-wrecking for me, but they definitely didn’t treat me any differently at all. 

Savanna: So they didn’t ask you any pregnancy specific questions or anything? You didn’t feel judged? 

Nora: 

Not at all. I thought going into the interview, maybe they would have some preconceived notions like oh she’s pregnant, how will she be able to do this? I had talked to a PA I had shadowed for quite a while, and he told me that people might have that idea. But you need to just give the best interview you can and do the best you can. So yeah I felt very comfortable, very comfortable. The interview process went smoothly, considering I was like 7 months pregnant. 

Savanna:

Yeah haha great, so they accepted you? 

Nora: 

Yeah I got a call in January. I was so excited, and things really fell into place. 

Savanna: Ok awesome! So your mindset had to shift to “okay, I’m going to be a student with a baby.” So how old was your baby when you started PA school?

Nora: 

He was almost 6 months. My plan was to get him enrolled in daycare before I started school. He started day care at about 5 months so he could get used to that, and there wouldn’t be any surprises right at the beginning. But of course, my first week of school, he was sick! And I was like, oh that’s one of those challenges! Of course most programs have an attendance policy, even when something like that happens. That's when I started to really lean on my family for support. 

I think that's definitely one of the biggest factors for anybody in general, PA school is tough, and so having a good support system is important and especially when you have a child. You need that help. And so I did talk a lot with my family about it before. You hear that PA school will limit the amount of time you have for outside activities and how busy you are going to be, but you don’t really know what that’s like until you start, and that’s how I felt. I didn’t know my schedule was going to be so packed until I actually started. So there were adjustments in between. Who has to pick my son up from daycare, or who is going to watch him. I mean, if I was going to be able to make it home in time, I could pick him up, but if I can’t, then who is going to be able? Having conversations with my family to help them understand that this is not regular college, where I can take a class part-time, or skip class. This is different, and it’s going to be intense, so I'm going to need all the help that I get. And I'm fortunate to have a really great support system. 

Savanna: That’s definitely so helpful. I mean, we live by my family here, and it’s been great, even just working, to have them step in when necessary. You never know when they’re going to get sick or something like that happens. So it sounds like how you had, backup plan upon backup plan, thanks to your support system. How many people are in your class? 

Nora: 

There's 42 people in my class

Savanna:

Are there other parents? 

Nora: 

No, there are people who are married, but I’m the only one with a child.

Savanna: Oh gosh, got a little PA baby! Well, what have you struggled with, and what have you found that works as far as balancing time with being a mom and a student, having kind of that different family dynamic from someone who maybe doesn’t have those responsibilities? 

Nora: 

So initially, I think it was an adjustment for me because I graduated in December of 2013, or something like that. So it’s been quite a while since I was in school. And of course, it’s different because you’re taking so many credits and it’s a pretty strict schedule. So that was an adjustment for me initially. I'm a visual learner, so it's really important to me to be able to see things vs. just reading them. What I found to be really helpful for me was watching a lot of videos. There were times when I didn’t have the help I needed, like if family wasn’t available to watch my son, I would have to kind of balance along with him. A lot of my studying came from me watching stuff on Youtube or Osmosis, listening to podcasts, or other things of that nature. So watching videos, Picmonic, or SketchyMed – those things really helped me a lot, especially when I didn’t have help to watch him. He would be here with me, and I’d be watching those in the background. That’s the kind of learning I am, so that works for me. I think everyone should see what works best for them. I may be a good visual learning, but someone else may not like that. That has worked pretty well for me. 

Other than that, I wasn’t the type of person who studied every single day in undergrad. I would study when I had exams, basically. When I didn’t have exams, I wouldn’t really keep up with stuff. But in this case, you really have to! You have to go over what you at least went through in class everyday. That is still an adjustment for me, it is a lot of stuff including exams every week. For the most part, I try to go over at least what we went over in class that day. So that helps prevent you from getting too overwhelmed. 

Savanna: Okay, I'm going to ask a couple of questions that would be considered highly unethical in an interview setting. But have you felt hindered in any way by having a baby in PA school? Like do you think it has affected your performance, or like you said like, if you set your mind to something, you’re just going to make it happen?

Nora: 

I don’t think it has hindered me. I think that it did help me to adjust in situations that were unpredictable. There were a few times during the semester when my son was sick. There were also some times I had to take him to the ER, and then literally be in class in a few hours. I mean, it was hard, I’m not going to lie. There were times when I cried a bit, but I think that made me a little more motivated and it did show me that I could do things. If you had told me this a few years ago, I would’ve said there was no way I could do that. But it definitely showed me that I’m stronger than I actually think I am. So I don’t think it’s hindered me. I think it’s done the opposite. It’s shown me that I can multi-task better than I could’ve ever imagined, especially when I don’t have anyone to watch him. Having to manage that and having to study for exams, I’ve learned to better manage my time and that I can do that. 

Savanna: Okay, so one question that I get a lot that I don't feel like I necessarily have been able to answer well because I can't answer from a personal standpoint is – pre-PA students ask me when they should have kids. Should I try to have my baby right before PA school? Should I be pregnant in PA school or on interviews? I know you only have your experience to speak from, but what are your thoughts on that? 

Nora: 

If I didn’t have a child before PA school, I don’t think I would get pregnant in PA school. Just because it is so rigorous and you are sitting for at least 8 hrs at a time. You have breaks here and there, but you are in class 9-5. I also get stressed out and a bit anxious when exams come up, so I don’t necessarily think that is the healthiest thing for someone who is pregnant to go through. The chairs aren’t comfortable to sit for that long. And the mental stress isn’t the best while you are pregnant. Things happen of course, but to actually plan a pregnancy in PA school, especially during the didactic year, I don’t think that’s the best thing. I know some people do plan pregnancy during clinical year, but I haven’t experienced that. 

I think it's also a personal choice when to have kids. You have to realize that once you do have kids before or during PA school, you have to have people around you to help. I think that’s the thing that makes a huge difference, a support system, whether family or friends, you need to have people in your corner. In addition, there is a financial aspect of it as well. If you are using loans to live during PA school, you have to think about that as well because having a baby can be expensive haha. 

Savanna: 

You kind of alluded to it when you said your first week your baby was sick and there was an attendance policy, but you are held to the same standards as all the other students, despite having a child, correct? 

Nora: 

Yeah! We are all in PA school, and these are all choices that everyone made. I am a mom, and I made a choice to come to PA school. I could’ve just waited until my son was a few years old to come to PA school, but I made that commitment. It’s hard of course, when your child is sick, to come to school. But I realized I had to separate my mind mentally, put that away for a short while, and try to focus on what I am doing in school. Otherwise, you will get overwhelmed. Being a mom especially, I never realized how much you could worry about your child. Learning to separate things and have the time and place for it is helpful. After school, I do try to spend time with him and do not dive straight into studying. I put him to bed and then get back to school stuff. I think that has helped me feel better about things in general and being able to have time for him.

Savanna: 

No that's awesome. It sounds like you're doing well, and you also have time to talk to me on a podcast, so thank you so much! Any last parting words or advice?

Nora: 

I would say regardless of if you have a child or not, if this is something you want to do and you are determined, I think you can do it. People really underestimate the power of their mind and positive thinking. Sometimes you go through something, and you think, wow I actually did this, and I never thought I could do it. So I think you should never think something is not possible. I would always at least try. Who knows, maybe if I never attempted to do PA school, would I have regrets? I don’t want to have regrets later. Hopefully someone out there is inspired that being a parent doesn’t mean you can’t follow your dreams or achieve something. I always think I am not only doing this for myself; I am doing it for my family as well. And hopefully, that goes a long way to make a better life for my family. Also, my son will be able to look back and think that Mom was able to do this while she had me. And that will be a motivation for him hopefully.

Savanna: 

Well you are super impressive! I am sure he will be very proud when he realizes what you did. Well thank you so much for taking the time to share all your advice and stories. I don’t know that I could do what you are doing, but like you said, you don’t know until you are there! You are doing a great job.

Nora: 

I’m so glad I had the opportunity to talk about my experiences and hopefully motivate someone else. 


What is the PA-CAT? - with Researcher and PA from Exam Master - Scott Massey, PA-C and PhD

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The PA-CAT seems to be on everyone’s mind. Do I need to take the test? Is it replacing the GRE? How do I study for it? We went straight to the source with this interview with Dr. Scott Massey, a PA with tons of educational experience and a PhD. Dr. Massey has spent his career researching PA education and trying to improve it, and he shares his involvement in the development of the PA-CAT and why this test is the next step in PA admissions.

P.S. This blog post is also a podcast episode! Listen to it here.

Dr. Massey: My name is Scott Massey, and I’ve been a PA for 36 years. I’ve been a PA educator for 29 years. To make a long story short, I've been in leadership positions in 4 PA programs, and I’ve been an active researcher over the years in particular about predictive factors for success in PA education. A couple of years ago, Exam Master approached me and the executive of Exam Master came to one of my presentations and asked if I would be interested in participating in this exciting project, which was developing and launching a PA admissions exam. He asked me and Dr. Johnna Yealy to be the co-investigators of this project, as there would be an 18 month research component for that. I won’t go into everything else as far as my PA career, but I’ve worked in numerous settings including more emergency medicine than anything else. I also worked internationally for a year, and I’ve worked in several countries around the world participating in projects as well. At this point in time, I’m focusing on research and education, and another part of my time is spent working on this project. So that’s a summary of me! 
Savanna: So a little bit of everything but sounds good! Yeah so I'm going to be perfectly honest. I am not exactly sure what my thoughts are on the PA-CAT, so I'm excited to learn more. I have been a PA for 5 years now, and I think if I was in a pre-PA’s shoes, I would be a little bit terrified. But as someone who has been through it and has helped pre-PA students throughout the process, I can see the benefits of a test that is designed like the PA-CAT to be more specific than say, the GRE. So I'm excited to hear more and see if it helps my thoughts on it a little bit more. So you said it wasn't your idea; you just got involved, is that safe to say? 
Dr. Massey: I was one of the principal investigators. When you launch something of that magnitude, there has to be some robust research behind it. The exam was launched in a research phase in 2018, and it’s been administered to over 2,000 students, both who are first years matriculated into PA programs and to participants who are in the interview phase. So obviously, because this has to be approved by Institutional Review Board, we cannot ethically administer this exam to pre-PA students in the case that people would use it for the purpose of making decisions. Up until now it has been in the research phase, and this will continue into the future as well. 
As far as what you mentioned about the concern from pre-PA students regarding PA-CAT vs. GRE, I can tell you honestly as a PA educator, I’ve been involved with admissions for now 28 years. I can tell you that whatever tools the educators are going to use to admit students, they are going to use. I’ve read virtually all the research that PA education and PA educators have done on the GRE and predictive factors and on the PANCE and its success. And it’s not strong. It’s not a great instrument. The comment I want to make to all those students is that do you want PA educators to use a tool that’s not very strong vs. one that is a better identifier of students’ success in the PA program. There's nothing we can do to really to allay their fears, it's going to be a process but we'll get into that more detail as you ask questions.

Savanna: Looking at applications and talking to students, I find it hard to help students understand that PA schools have to standardize patients to a degree. There is so much variety in where they are taking classes and getting their experience, there has to be some way to even the playing field a bit. So what have schools used traditionally up until this point? 

Dr. Massey: Unfortunately, they use science GPA quite a bit. We just got the data from a research phase for this project, which looks at several hundred students and their relationship to prerequisite science and admissions, basically like the first year of a PA program and the first year PACKRAT. The relationship between those variables are very, very weak. And what research shows is that science GPA, which intuitively we would think that looking at grades and performance in chemistry would be an indicator, and it hasn’t panned out. I’ve done my own assessment, so I’m involved with a lot of assessment. I have assessed several years of data looking at, here at Central for example, looking at how well science GPA predicts PANCE performance in an academic format, and there is a negative relationship, which means it is not strong. So PA educators are going to use that, even though it is not a great predictor. Interviews and other personal things, I think, are probably one of the more important things. We try to identify that by using MMIs, group interviews, and personal interviews. I think looking at personal statements are important. 

There are qualitative types of variables and the quantitative. 51% of the PA programs, as of last year, are using the GRE. So they plug the GRE score into a spreadsheet and formula, and they say, oh here is the score on the GRE, we will give the student however many points. So that’s kind of what happens. It’s not an exact science to admit students, and I’m the first to tell you that my whole career has been about student success. I work with students who have failed PA school. I worked with students who are trying to remediate and develop their remediation tools. At the end of the day, not every student who applies is able to handle PA school. It’s our moral and ethical responsibility to not admit students who are not going to be successful. So it’s tough, it’s a tough job.

Savanna: So what are the end goals and end points of the PA-CAT? Is it seeing a better performance on PANCE, better GPAs in PA school, less matriculation – how do you figure out if it is effective? 

Dr. Massey: I believe the best way to find out if it is effective is to see a slight decrease an attrition. Whether someone gets 450 or 500 on PANCE, I could care less. But you know, attrition rates in PA programs ranges from virtually 0% in some that only accept students in the top 10% of GPAs to much higher in programs that are trying to admit candidates from disadvantaged backgrounds and those kinds of things. So, if this tool at the end of the day, lowers some attrition, then that will be successful. So it's really about student success. Basically to me, it's the best tool in the arsenal that will probably be available to programs to look at cognitive factors. So the other thing I'll say is that some programs that have a mission to admit students that might get lower scores on this exam could still use this exam to try to identify those that need a pre-matriculation type of program as well. So, they have multiple uses. 

Savanna: That's interesting. So can you even compare the PA-CAT to the GRE?

Dr. Massey: Not necessarily because it is testing different types of skills. There is the verbal and quantitative. I think there is some overlap with quantitative because it is testing some statistics and some chemistry. But for the most part, it’s really testing basic science knowledge and social science knowledge. It is most closely aligned with the pharmacy CAT. There’s a PCAT (Pharmacy College Admission Test). During the development phase, the committee looked at the PCAT because that was probably the closest aligned exam that already existed. The MCAT, which has undergone some evolution, is basically testing the same thing. It is testing the typical undergraduate courses that PA students will have already taken. It does not assume that students have advanced biological science courses, for example. It’s based on the average prerequisites of all PA students in the country. We did a large assessment of that to make sure we are not overtesting content that is beyond the scope of what PA students are experiencing. 

Savanna: Okay. And I listed out the subjects on my website. There's a lot of them, so I don't know if you want to list them, but we can either direct people there or if you want to go over them, you can. But I want to know more the logistics of the test, like how long is it, how is it scored, that type of thing.

Dr. Massey: So the exam is going to be 225 questions. During the launch this year, 25 of those questions are going to be what are called “field test” questions. 200 questions will actually be scored. It will be based on the one minute per question framework. As far as scale, the scale process is very similar to what the PACKRAT uses. So with scaled scores, basically all the students in the country, the lowest score might be 200 and the highest might be 800, and students find out where they are in terms of their percentile. If they scored higher than 61% of people taking the exam, it will be 61. So they will be total scale percentile scores and subscores, which we are combining the subscores for biological science and AP chemistry and social sciences. 

Savanna: I guess with it being so new, is there anyway to tell someone the score they should aim for or what schools are looking for?

Dr. Massey: Not yet, it will probably take several years to get to that point. I will use the example of PAKRAT again, which has been used for 20 years now. There is research out there that looks at scoring PACKRAT. It doesn’t say this is the score you want; you research it, look at the data. Same thing here, it will take time. Each year, applicants will be scored against other applicants. It’s not going to be, here’s the score. Programs, just like they do now, take that data and begin to identify how the scores relate to their own specific departments. You can’t generalize all programs. They will also look at the relationship of the PA-CAT with the PACKRAT, EORs, and the PANCE. Like any instrument, it will take time to get to that point. The PACKRAT is administered on a psychometric model called the The Rasch model. Rasch is the framework of developing a scale and looking at performance within a group. We are not looking at everyone who has ever taken the exam; we are looking at all students within a specific testing window that year. 

Savanna: Okay, and I know you said every school uses their own parameters. Do you see this as something that could potentially replace the GRE or become something that is mandated for every single PA program? 

Dr. Massey: No admissions exam can be mandated unless the program decides to. Does PAEA condone the PA-CAT? PAEA is neutral. It doesn’t condone it one way or other other; it doesn’t say PA-CAT is better than GRE or vice versa. Programs will choose to adopt this exam and choose to use it in their cycle if they want. It is available.

Savanna: I’ve seen some programs have started to implement the PA-CAT in this upcoming cycle; do we know how many programs?

Dr. Massey: There is estimated to be about a dozen right now. There may be as many as 25-30. Upcoming years, it is really grassroots. As more PA educators hear about this exam, for example I’ve given webinars to PA educators, so they know about it. I don’t know exactly the percentage of programs that will use it; but I think it will probably grow. 

 Savanna: Alright, so what is going to be the cost of the test, and are there going to be fee waivers? I’ve gotten questions about cost being a limiting factor. What does that look like?

Dr. Massey: The cost of the actual exam is $149. When students register, they're also going to be paying the prometric testing center fee at the same time. So with the total cost, it’s comparable to the GRE. As far as the waivers right now, Exam Master is developing a program to support economically disadvantaged students, so they're connecting with various constituency groups. I know that the executive director is talking to the president of AAPA, trying to reach out to see how that can be done on as well as in state chapters. Certainly, that is the desire if students are challenged economically, to be able to have a scholarship program and offer it free of charge. I honestly don’t know how much that is happening with current exams, like the GRE or CASPER. But that is the intent of Exam Master. 

Savanna: Okay, and how would students send scores? I know with the GRE, students are able to send it to 3 schools for free, then you can add more later. Is it similar to that? 

Dr. Massey: When students register, there is an articulation with CASPA. The number of schools the students apply to, CASPA would then forward the scores. It’s a process, and I can’t tell you exactly how it is transmitted, but it will similar to the process the GRE uses. There will be a school code, and there is a transcript students can download. So that’s how it’s going to work.

Savanna: Okay, cool. So another question I’ve gotten is that students who have seen certain programs require the PA-CAT now are asking how to prepare. When I was studying for the GRE, I went to the library and checked out some books. But how can students actually study and prepare? 

Dr. Massey: First of all, I would say the preparation is not going to be necessarily as robust as looking at setting up and preparing for the GRE because it's a different kind of exam. Students will get you know review books for the GRE and the more that you practice those exam questions, the better you will do – the customer test phenomenon. Because the PA-CAT is based upon the typical undergraduate courses, Exam Master now has a downloadable document, which is like the outline of the exam. Students can go to their own content and their own textbooks and use that document as a guide. There may be some more truncated review books for certain subjects like biology and that’s up to them. Along with the payment for the exam, students do get access to a free practice exam, and that will give them an estimation for their scaled score. So if they go ahead and they take the practice exam. If they score a 450 for example, which is lower, that’s an indication they may have to study more. I can tell you that the outline is quite detailed, they can go into chemistry and review those concepts. I know that depending on when students have taken certain courses, I mean there are certain students that get to their senior year and applying to PA school – it’s been 3 years since they took organic chemistry. So they may have to go back and spend more time focusing on that. Because the concentration of the exam is a bit less on chemistry as opposed to biology and physiology, it’s not going to have as much of an impact on the scaled score.

Savanna: Okay great, so there is some guidance. Last time I checked the website, it wasn’t up yet, but I’ll link that so everyone can find it and feel more reassured. I think you have covered all of my questions. Are there any questions that you are getting regularly? 

Dr. Massey: Yeah we look at blogs sometimes, and there are concerns that come up. Let’s see… how heavily weighed will it be in the application process? That depends on the program and how heavily they want to weigh it. Some programs may use a percentile program; some may use a watch-and-see approach and gather all the data first. The other concern I’ve seen is that it’s being implemented under people’s feet, as in they already took the GRE, now they have to take the PA-CAT. The process of putting a new requirement for an applicant is based on, if it’s early in the cycle, it’s pretty permissible to include. Once before the application is due, that’s how programs will look at it and will put it on their website so applicants will know ahead of time. Applicants have to realize that individual programs have the ability to require various elements from their students, so same thing here. I’ve spoken to a few directors that are choosing to make it voluntary this year and phase it in. 

Savanna: Do you think there are any programs that will require the GRE and PA-CAT, or is that overkill?

Dr. Massey: I don’t know that for sure. Everyone I’ve spoken to so far is choosing to go to PA-CAT instead of GRE. Again I think the cost to students is concerning if you require both exams. Also, I’ve gotten the comment that if the PANCE score is high, why would you another instrument? Again, I’m going to go back to wanting to reduce attrition. If it helps reduce overall some attrition, then it’s worth it. So the message I want to get across the pre-PA applicants, is that this is about trying to ensure success. It is not about adding more barriers or eliminating people. It’s about ensuring the people who are in programs have a higher probability of succeeding. They’ve also got to realize that when you take 5-10% attrition across states – we are talking about hundreds of people that are being dismissed from programs across the country! So if that's lowered, it's worth it.

Savanna: Yeah, I completely agree, and I think sometimes too it's difficult from a pre-PA standpoint, when you haven't been to a PA school yet. With my class, we started with 44 and ended with 40. One person from my class who graduated never passed the PANCE. I mean, it sounds small, like 4 or 5 people, but that’s life-changing for those people. So, I think if there was something that could have prevented them or kind of indicated that maybe they weren’t going to be able to succeed in PA school, that would have been helpful in the long run. 

Dr. Massey: Making programs, myself included, we will look at like any predictive variables that may indicate where students might need more remediation along the way. So if we look at that, what programs do is that they look at applicants who get lower scores in certain classes. And we ask, what do these students need? Do they need study skills? More support? Sometimes it’s a number of things. Sometimes it’s just study skills they need to adjust. Sometimes it’s science knowledge and science aptitude or the ability to handle the fast pace of the program. Some programs also look at those scores and implement a pre-matriculation program review process or some form of intervention for those students. Some medical schools already do this. So I think it opens the door to those things too, not that Oh, I’m just going to reject you because your score is X.

Savanna: Yeah, just the more information, the better. I think that's great. Where can people find out more about the PA-CAT and ask their questions? 

Dr. Massey: They can head to the PA-CAT website: https://www.pa-cat.com/pa-cat-candidate-page/. There are a lot of resources on there now.  

How to Easily Learn Anatomy

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Thanks to Anatomy Bootcamp for sponsoring today’s post!
Did you know there are ways to make your studying more efficient and even, dare I say, easier? It may seem impossible in the thick of schooling, but a few simple preparation steps will make your life better by lowering your stress when it comes to studying.

In today’s blog post, we’re going to break down a few action steps that will set you up for success using anatomy as an example, and specifically Anatomy Bootcamp. Why anatomy? It’s one of the main cornerstone prerequisites for physician assistant school and undergrad isn’t the only time you’re going to see it. Once accepted to PA school, you’ll repeat anatomy and physiology at the graduate school level, and it ain’t easy. It can actually be one of the most challenging courses, even with foundational background knowledge, because each structure has more structures and they all have multiple functions. You’ll need to know it all, and understand it all to apply to patient care, but let’s lay out some study steps. 

Before You Start Studying

Evaluate your schedule and look at the curriculum. Figure out what you need to know and when. Write it out in a list or planner so you have a visual aid to refer to and nothing gets missed. Identify a study resource or supplement, and figure out how much time it will take to get through the content. For example, Anatomy Bootcamp includes PDF outlines to go with bite-size videos, followed by Qbanks that apply your knowledge with actual cadaver images and explanation videos applicable to each question. While in-class lectures are oftentimes great, they also miss the mark on important content sometimes and don’t emphasize exactly what you need to know, which is why the next part is important - figuring out how you learn best.

How to Study Based on Learning Style

There are tons of online tests to help you identify your learning style, and watching someone talk about a PowerPoint may not be the best way you learn. That’s okay! You may also have some overlap in styles of learning, and utilizing resources specific to each of those methods will help you comprehend material faster.

The learning styles include Visual, Aural, Read/Write, and Kinesthetic.

Visual learners like to see charts, images and diagrams. The interactive drawings used in Anatomy Bootcamp during the videos make great study tools for someone who likes to learn visually. Here is an example: 

Aural learning refers to comprehending material by hearing it, whether from a lecture or in discussion with peers. Teaming up with some classmates to listen to a short 3-10 minute video and then talking about the information is a great strategy to solidify information while studying. 

If you love to read or write, I’m right there with you. While going through each module, practice active note taking by jotting down and copying the drawings displayed in the lectures during Anatomy Bootcamp. When you go through the questions afterwards, you’ll be able to refer to your notes or take down extra information if there was an aspect you didn’t grasp fully with the first exposure. 

Kinesthetic learners like to put it all together and enjoy a multi-dimensional learning experience with application. For an Anatomy Bootcamp strategy, watching the videos and then using the Qbank to test the knowledge will satisfy your desire to stay engaged and hands on while learning. Especially with the cadaver images, you can make connections with what you’re learning in a dissection lab or on models/computer modeling during PA school. 

Whatever learning style you identify with, I encourage you to try out the others, especially when trying to learn a new subject. Quickly identify if a method isn’t working for you and look for new options and resources, realizing you may not get everything you need straight from the classroom.

Managing Time

The key to making the most of your resources and study time is managing your time effectively. You can study for hours and not actually learn the material if just going through the motions. If you set a dedicated schedule and allot a specific amount of time to studying, you’ll likely be more efficient than casually jumping around between resources and topics. If you’re not used to doing this, start with a small time period of maybe just 10-15 minutes and build your study stamina from there. With Anatomy Bootcamp, the modules and videos are short so you can fit them into small pockets of study time.

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Remove all distractions, set timers, and allow yourself complete concentration in your ideal setting. What works for someone else may not be the best for you and that’s okay! Make sure all of the needed equipment is easily accessible. If you’re watching the videos in Anatomy Bootcamp, you’ll need a quiet area to listen or headphones. If you’re a notetaker like me, keep your favorite pens and notebook in a dedicated spot. A little bit of preparation ahead of time will make your process easier.

Go forth and study better! Share your efficient study skills and learning style in the comments, and leave your Anatomy Bootcamp feedback for other students who are struggling with anatomy and physiology.


Direct Patient Care Jobs for PA School: What is PCE and How to Get Certified?

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Today’s post is sponsored by Advanced eClinical Training!

One of the most important aspects of a physician assistant school application is direct patient care experience (PCE). As the process of applying to PA school has become more complicated with an increase in requirements and more competition, the quality of PCE is even more important than ever. While there are still positions that may not require a certification, investing in extra education and training is one way to stand out when trying to land a high quality patient care experience.

What is direct Patient Care Experience (PCE) and what “counts”?

Before diving into becoming a PA, it’s a good idea to make sure you like the daily responsibilities of taking care of patients. Working in a healthcare setting doesn’t always allow for patient interactions, which would be considered “healthcare experience.” These types of jobs include receptionist, front office or insurance work, pharmacy technician, and patient transporter just to name a few.

For a position to be considered “direct PCE” you are expected to have involvement in a patient’s care plan. Typically, you’ll be more hands-on with tasks such as taking vitals, phlebotomy, assisting with procedures, starting IVs, or administering medications. (This is not an exhaustive list, but just a few examples.) Many of these jobs will require additional training or certifications before you are hired into these types of positions, and some roles to search for include medical assistant (MA), certified nursing assistant (CNA), patient care technician (PCT), and emergency medical technicians (EMTs). 

When considering what type of position to take, there are two main factors to look at - what your programs prefer and what you’ll actually be doing. Job descriptions can vary, so look beyond the title to what your daily roles and responsibilities would look like. 

What kind of training, certifications, and qualifications are needed to work in a direct PCE job?

Obtaining healthcare care experience before PA school can be a difficult and stressful process.  When I was looking for clinical certification programs, it was nearly impossible finding a program that met my needs for time, affordability, and flexibility. To become a CNA for my job at a rehab hospital, I ended up driving 1.5 hours each way every Saturday for 3 months and giving up spring break for clinicals. It was the closest option I could find that fit my schedule, but wasn’t ideal while balancing a full-load of science courses at UGA. There are places that may hire and train without a certification, but this will depend on your state and position. It will be more difficult to find a hospital or larger facility that is willing to hire without a certification. 

Fortunately, Advanced eClinical Training (IG: @advancedclinicaltraining) is now offering fully online Allied Health certification courses designed specifically for Pre-PA students.

The certification training programs they offer are:  

  • Certified Clinical Medical Assistant (CCMA) 

  • Certified Patient Care Technician (CPCT)

  • Certified Pharmacy Technician (CPhT) 

The training programs can be completed in little as 8-12 weeks, but are completely self-paced with no due dates or time restrictions!  Their programs consist of innovative learning modules including interactive assignments, real-life clinic simulations, classmate discussions, expert video lectures, and constant support/feedback from course instructors who are board-certified medical providers!  Upon successfully completing the online training, students will sit for their program's certification exam to obtain nationally accredited clinical certifications and be credentialed to work in the diverse clinic and hospital settings! 

 After speaking with students who have completed the program, they were very happy with the program and stated they are quick to respond and approve submissions. By volunteering for in person experiences, you can put what you learn into practice. Definitely reach out and contact Advanced eClinical Training if you have any questions about the program. 

Advanced eClinical Training is currently enrolling Pre-PA students for all of their online certification training courses! Use code PAPLATFORM to get $100 off and start gaining valuable clinical training before PA school! 

How can I find a direct PCE position? 

Once you’ve completed your certification, it’s time for the fun part, but finding a job and getting credentialed can take a little while. When deciding on a certification, look to see what types of jobs and requirements are most common for your area to make it easier when you start to look.

Most hospital websites and large facilities will have job postings at all times. Apply widely until you secure a position because you never know how long it will take to hear back. Cold-calling smaller offices or sending out a resume with a letter of intent is another great strategy as many places love to hire pre-health students.

Don’t forget the power of networking, and use any connections you have. Even if none of your family is in medicine, you never know if you tell your neighbor about your ambitions who they may know who can help you out. My rehab hospital CNA job was actually the result of one of my dad’s co-workers who had a connection and knew they were hiring extra help for the summer. 

For more information on how you can complete an online certification to land a direct patient care job, visit Advanced eClinical Training

Getting Started: Prepping for PA School Applications as a Sophomore in College

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Ashley is back for the second part of her series about preparing for PA School Applications. She wrote a guest post last year about preparing for PA School Applications as a Freshman and is back with advice for those in their sophomore year of college. Follow Ashley’s journey at @akoch_coke

Throughout the ending of my freshman year in college, I continued to prioritize my studies along with staying an active member within my university’s Pre-PA Club. However, once March began everything changed. A couple weeks before my Spring Break, I was notified by my school that I needed to be moved out of my dorm by the ending of the following day due to the corona virus. Although there were so many things going through my mind within this moment, I never stopped to realize how much this then termed global pandemic would affect my entire Pre-PA activities and requirement fulfillments.

After leaving my dorm, the rest of my semester consisted of finishing my classes as strongly as possible and trying to find something to do during the summer. Originally, I had set in my summer schedule to be shadowing a surgery PA, which at the time was the specialty I was obsessing over. However, this plan was soon canceled due to the corona virus. 

Once summer began, I admittingly spent a lot of the beginning time on the app Tik-Tok where I eventually stumbled upon a couple of online programs for Pre-PA and general Pre-Healthcare students to get a variety of shadowing and seminar experiences. I ended up participating in Lenox Hill Hospital’s BRAINterns seminar series along with a couple of Medshu Club’s profession sessions. These two programs were very exciting to be a part of due to the fact that they allowed me to learn more about different healthcare professional’s careers and specialties. Along with this, in the BRAINterns series there were several days per week where some of their doctors would present a case they encountered and run through how they diagnosed and treated the patients along with talk through recorded surgeries within some of these cases. Along with these online programs, I was also taking an online course for school to help boost my GPA and dedicating spare free time to learning about how to read an EKG.

Towards the beginning of my sophomore year, my school’s Pre-PA club was re-electing officers, and I became the new president of the Pre-PA club. In this position, I discussed with the fellow officers about our plans for the upcoming semester and everything we would like to do. Throughout the semester, we had several virtual club meetings that consisted of us reviewing one of the key requirements for most PA schools. During one of our final meetings of the semester, one of the people on our college’s PA admissions team attended!

Along with my position as president of PA club, I also joined Biology club and Medlife club which were both very fun. As the semester progressed, I found myself constantly working on my schoolwork and having very little social time. Although my school was and still is the top priority, I was still wanting to have some time to spend with new friends. Because of this, I decided to informally rush and join a sorority, Alpha Delta Pi. Through this, I not only met many girls that were on the same profession path as me, but also will get to continue volunteering at the Ronald McDonald House through not only PA club but now also ADPi. Even though this semester consisted of being half in person and half online, with extra hard work I ended up boosting my GPA and making Dean’s List. 

Once the semester ended and Christmas Break was around the corner, I was eagerly awaiting to start gaining my shadowing hours scheduled during the break. However, within a couple days of my first day I received a notice from the PA stating that I would be unable to shadow her due to case numbers rising. Although this news was very heartbreaking, I decided to start partially preparing for potential PA school interviews through reading The PA Platform’s “Interview Guide” book and taking diligent notes on the different types of interview styles. While to some this preparing sounds to be way too early, my mindset was by the time I get invited to interview at a PA school, I will already have detailed information on all of the different interview styles and expectations so this way I can focus more on how to answer the potential questions for the specific school instead of how the interview will be conducted. Along with this, I also added several new spreadsheets to my list of PA school requirements one that consisted of my logged virtual hours from the past summer, my grades throughout my completed semesters so far, list of my planned extracurriculars for each semester so I don’t sign up for more than I can handle and planned out class schedules for my remaining semesters in order to not have too many hard sciences at the same time.

Toward the beginning of this semester, I found out days before that the EMT class I scheduled to take in order to attain PCE hours got canceled due to the fact that not enough people registered. This cancellation on top of the several shadowing and volunteering opportunities I had already lost hurt and made me feel hopeless, that I would never fulfill PA school requirements. However, even though these cancellations happened, I was able to make use of my now free time to put it towards other areas of the application. Currently, I am in the process of potentially starting to shadow a PA along with volunteering at a local hospital near my college. Along with this, I am also planning out an exciting semester for my college’s Pre-PA club alongside my fellow club officers and completing training to start working in a glioblastoma research project.

Even though it is still a very challenging time to fulfill application requirements, with hard work and determination there will be opportunities to not only fulfill these but to also show future PA schools that you are worthy of becoming a Physician Assistant.


3 Techniques That Will Help You Overcome Setbacks on the Road to PA

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People who want to become PAs experience a catch-22 of sorts: In order to ultimately succeed, you often have to fail, but experiencing failure can inhibit your future successes. Failure can cause feelings of helplessness, inadequacy, and demoralization, which can make you lose faith in your capabilities; when this happens, your ultimate goal may seem further out of reach, and you might even start to believe that your success is out of your control. 

Luckily, there are research-based findings on the best ways to overcome setbacks and position yourself for overall success. 

Be Open to Feelings Associated With Failure

It’s no secret people often ignore their feelings, especially when said feelings are stressful or otherwise unpleasant. Unfortunately, according to research, one of the best ways to learn from mistakes is to do the last thing you want—to embrace the negative feelings associated with failure. Throughout the PA process you will definitely experience failure at some point.

Common advice is that you shouldn’t dwell on your mistakes or beat yourself up after you fail, but this advice is somewhat contradicted in the current literature. People who allow themselves to feel their emotions regarding failure try harder to correct their mistakes, according to a study in the Journal of Behavioral Decision Making; a person who makes excuses and ignores his or her failures fares less well when it comes to learning from past mistakes. Our goal is improvement and growth, right?

Without making yourself feel terrible, realize that sometimes bad things happen, and to avoid them again in the future, you have to try harder. You can have self-compassion while still pushing yourself to succeed and motivating yourself to avoid similar failure in the future. Whether it’s a tough semester or being placed on a waitlist, most feelings of failure come from multi-factorial reasons. Use the self-reflection from those experiences to help you achieve success moving forward. Look for the good in the situation coming from those failure feelings. With a tough class where you didn’t get your desired grade, maybe you learned some more effective study techniques. By gaining a waitlist spot, that means your application was on target to get an interview, and it’s not a no. Find the positives and cling to those.

Let Your Feelings Spark Action

After you experience your feelings surrounding failure, get to work; break down the failure into two categories: aspects that were in your control and aspects that were not. Review your lists and see if you find any items improperly categorized. Sometimes, things that seem out of your control are actually not and vice versa. Can you improve your skills, planning, knowledge, etc. to take control of aspects that were previously deemed out of your control? With the list that remains (it might be unchanged from your first iteration), focus on all of the parts of a failure that are under your control. 

When you believe you can’t change the outcome of a situation, you often feel paralyzed, helpless, inadequate, etc. Conversely, the more you feel in control of a problem, the more likely you are to be motivated to tackle future challenges, according to research published in Core Psychiatry. In the event that you recognize things you could have done differently, take ownership of that and use it to spark change. Resolve to take small steps towards making changes in future situations, even if they seem like small things. Going back to the grades example - perhaps you will gain a self-awareness of recognizing when you’re struggling and instead of continuing to drown in the material, create an action plan to reach out for help from an earlier point.

Talk It Out With Like-Minded Individuals

Talking about failure may seem nerve-racking, but it’s one of the best ways to overcome setbacks and position yourself for future successes. Call someone you trust and allow him or her to help you process the loss while feeling supported. 

It can also be helpful to remind yourself that you’re not alone in your experience. For example, recently, Clara Jones, BSN, RN, posted the following on her Instagram:

I wasn’t an A student by any means. ⁣I wasn’t the type that didn’t study but aced my exams. ⁣I was the type that even though I busted my ass, I still failed some exams and barely made C’s on some of them. ⁣I failed my first skills evaluation for inserting a Foley catheter! Needless to say, I cried and thought nursing wasn’t for me.⁣ I missed most of my IV starts for the first couple of months. But let me tell you, these things make you want to quit and sulk, but how you respond to them challenges you and makes you BETTER …” 

Failure is a normal part of learning and progression. Surround yourself with people who are successful despite their past mistakes. Talk openly about your shortcomings and listen to others when they do the same. If you’re not already part of The Pre-PA Club on Facebook, it’s a great community of people in the same position as you. 

At The End of The Day

Unfortunately, the catch-22 of becoming a PA doesn’t stop when you get into PA school, or even when you graduate and start working in the field. Even after years of overcoming failures and learning an immense amount of information, you’ll still be subject to the unexpected. Medicine is always evolving and patients are all unique. As confident as you are, you’ll never be fully prepared. 

The techniques above are a good start for overcoming adversity on your journey to PA, but they are by no means exhaustive. If you want to become a PA, it’s important to know that your career choice will never be easy, but with the right attitude, it will be more than worth the challenges it presents. 

Non-Traditional PA School Applicant - Teacher to PA Student

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Sean Childress has a great story. He is a husband, dad, former high school coach and teacher, and now he is a PA student! Following a lingering dream, he made decisions and sacrifices to reach his goal. After moving from Texas to North Carolina, Sean started PA school recently at Campbell University. We discuss what that was like for his family, how he decided when the best time to quit his job was, and how he completed organic chemistry in 3 weeks! IG - @sean_childress

Listen or watch this interview on The Pre-PA Club Podcast

Sean: I'm 33 years old. My name is Sean Childress. I am a husband and father of two. And I did not take a traditional route to this. There have been a lot of twists and turns. But I actually spent a decade working as a high school football coach, baseball coach, and I taught every subject you could imagine. This was not really necessarily what I went to school thinking I was going to do, but it’s where I ended up. I still love spots, even though I'm kind of leaving that realm somewhat. 

That is where I spent 10 years non-stop and it kind of ran me into the ground. My family and I just moved to North Carolina for PA school from Texas. My wife is on board, and my kids are on board. And it’s really a team in our house. So everybody's really been supportive from multiple levels. But this is a dream that I've had for a long time. And it's just now coming to fruition at age 33. And I couldn't be more excited. We actually start class this week. So we're about 48 hours away. So I'm pretty excited and nervous, but I’m ready to go! 

Savanna: Okay, so you went from teacher and coach to PA. I actually get a lot of messages from people who are teachers who want to make that jump but aren’t sure how to. First let us know your mindset and how you decided that you wanted to pursue the PA profession and what that looked like.

Sean: If you go back when I was an undergrad, I actually started out as a journalism major. This is how into sports I was; I wanted to be like a SportsCenter anchor or something! I never really lost that desire necessarily, but I was introduced to the medical field and amazed by it all. 

Coincidentally, in one of my writing classes, one of my classmates was a physical therapy tech at a clinic. I got really into fitness at that time and was interested in helping people. I thought that would be a cool part-time job. 

That's just kind of how it started. So I took on this job during my sophomore year college as a PT tech. And initially, when I first start working there, I thought I wanted to become a physical therapist. It seemed like they had a blast, listening to music, talking all day long. Also, I didn't even know what a PA was. I've never had an encounter with a PA until I worked at the clinic. The first exposure I had to the PA profession was when another PT tech I worked with got accepted into the PA program at Texas Tech. She was my age, and I asked her what that was. She kind of explained it a bit. It really registered for me because she basically said you can choose which avenue you want to go instead of being kind of stuck in one area. You can use your degree to do a variety of things; you can work two jobs at once. I definitely didn't see myself doing the same thing for the rest of my life. I don't have any desire to do one thing for 40 years or whatever. Then I actually broke my hand. And I was treated by a PA, kind of pro-bono through our clinic. I actually spent a couple days shadowing a PA at that time. And I switched from journalism to a health promotion major, which is what I graduated with. 

I gotta be honest though. The first red flag on my application was when I took anatomy & physiology. I went to high school where I never had to study once. I didn't have to study until that point in college at all. Long story short, I didn't do well in the class, but it was the first time in my life where I was definitely afraid that I was going to fail. I was definitely discouraged. I spent about one year on the pre-PA track. I just didn’t move forward after that. I thought I genuinely couldn’t do it and thought I needed to go a more comfortable route. I finished my degree, but my degree did not require a lot of PA school pre-requisites. I ended up having to take all the pre-requisites, including the few classes that did cross over. Again, I was quite intrigued by the profession but the first time I faced failure and adversity with it, I quite simply gave up. So that led me to teaching. 

Savanna: Well, I think that's a very relatable thing. I don't think you're alone in that. And even someone I was working with recently kind of said the same thing. You know, it was just in her mind that she couldn't do this. So that led her down a different path into respiratory therapy. So I don't think you're alone in feeling that way. I think the classes that are required kind of make us all think that way at some point throughout the process. So you ended up teaching, and at what point did you decide to switch? Was that always in the back of your mind? Or did you revisit it later and felt like being a PA would fulfill you more?

Sean: It’s kind of a combination of all of that. So I’m a super positive person. I try to make the most of everything. When I got into teaching, I tried to look at the bright side of it all. I didn’t feel like I let anyone down or let myself down. I just felt like I was suppose to be there at that time. Even throughout the whole process, I don’t have a ton of regret because I learned a lot in those 10 years of being a professional. I think throughout the years, staying in touch with other people who went into medicine, those thoughts never went away. They slowly continued to grow. At one point I wanted to be a head baseball coach, and I did that. And I didn’t feel fulfilled. In fact, I was coaching in the state semi-finals. And we won! But I just didn’t feel like I was fulfilled. I mean, of course it is fulfilling to make a huge impact on kids. But I just felt like I wasn’t giving everything I could to my life. 

Ultimately, was there a trigger point for my decision? So there kind of was. Like I said, I would periodically reflect and think about it, and it would weigh on me at times. But in my last year of teaching, I made a decision that I was going to step away from teaching right before spring break. And on that day, I was nominated for teacher of the year. So I spent this whole spring break, sitting there thinking, “Am I making the right decision? Is this a sign I am suppose to stay?” Then the day after spring break ended, I talked to the principal before school and told her that I’m going to step away; I gotta pursue this. I’m going to make it happen. And the very next day, one of my students actually committed suicide. And it was like the most eye opening -- something I think about every day. It made me realize, obviously, like how fragile life is, how fragile time is. It definitely made me think that I was probably making the right call to kind of move forward and try to pursue the PA profession. I did think like, “What if I never go for it? What does that teach my kids, that I didn't go for a dream and I didn't try to accomplish a goal?” So you know, essentially, it kind of took off from there! So that was the Spring of 2017. I started taking pre-reqs and stuff that Fall.

Savanna: So a couple things there. I think it's really easy to get comfortable. And we get comfortable in our circumstances. We see these other things as these big hurdles, even if they’re things we have to overcome to get to where we want to go. I think that’s why a lot of people don't even take those steps towards just their goals and dreams. I probably have 100 new ideas a day that everyone at work, my husband, and my parents have to listen to. And they all think I’m crazy. But I think the only way we grow and can see what we are capable of is to try things and take those big steps. Another thing I talk about a lot or when I do mock interviews, is the pivotal moments. Maybe you did not have a dramatic experience with a PA saving you on the side of the road or something. But there are these points in our lives where everything makes us think about stuff and kind of pushes you in one direction or another. Maybe it’s not one event, but it’s multiple things that kind of culminated. I think those pivotal moments encourage you to move forward. It sounds like you went through some of those steps.

Sean: Even when I wrote my essay to apply to PA school, I was doing a lot of reflection. Some people sit on the sideline their whole life, and you can live your whole life on the shelf. But you don’t have anybody to blame but your own self. That’s kind of the thought I had. If I look back, I at least tried. So I agree, totally.

Savanna: I get a lot of emails about that. “I don’t know where to even start. I don’t have any hours. I don’t have any coursework finished. I’m a teacher.” So how did you start? What did you do after you quit your job? I mean that’s a huge decision. What happens next?

Sean: Yeah, so I just want to point out that I did have an advantage with thousands of hours as a PT tech, just sitting in the bank, if you will. So the first thing I did was to attack my biggest hurdle and mental block at the time which was tackling anatomy & physiology. I also needed to find a part-time job. I found a part-time job with a PT I used to work with to accumulate more hours. I didn’t necessarily care about how long it would take. I was just going to do one class in the fall – anatomy & physiology. At the time, I was 31 years old, and I went into a college class with all these 19-21 year olds. And they don’t really know how to work and focus well. It seemed easy to me. I had a lab partner and I would basically coach him along. So I took that one class. And I realized very quickly that having worked full-time, really double full-time as a coach, that taking one class and working part-time felt like nothing. So the next semester, I went kind of crazy! I signed up for A&P 2. I also took statistics and knocked that out. I was also taking Chemistry I. I also had a mental block about chemistry as well. But I got in there and loved it, that’s when all of this clicked for me. There was no turning back now. I could do this. The mental hurdle was cleared that summer.

During that whole time, that’s when I reached out to you. I heard about this book on your podcast, and I definitely recommend it: The Applicant's Manual of Physician Assistant Programs. It makes the process a lot easier. Every time that I would apply to a school, I would put a sticker in there. My wife cracks up at my OCD. I would write out the pre-reqs over and over, just to write them out and check them off because I wasn’t sure. I’d email the admissions staff at the school to ask if my prereqs worked before I submitted the application fee. From there, I started applying shortly after the cycle opened. I didn't want to do it too early, because I had quite a few hanging pre-reqs on deck that were still pending. But I think I applied to 21 schools. 

I got waitlisted to interview to three schools. I was straight up denied from a lot. And I started thinking this wasn’t going to happen. I knew like I prepare myself for this – that it may not happen the first time. But along the way, I got an interview invite. The first one was in July to be set in October. Then I got a last minute one in August. And that was like the following week in Pennsylvania! So I bought your interview book. It helped tremendously. I only had 3 or 4 days to prepare for that one, and it went okay. I got waitlisted, but I was a nervous wreck. I felt a lot of pressure. But in many ways, it felt a lot just like a job interview. It was good exposure. I went to another interview at a school in NC in Sept. And then I got an interview late October at another school, which I got accepted to, which is Campbell University. Before I got accepted, I really didn’t think I was going to get in. So that took a lot of pressure off. It was late in the cycle for them, so I just kind of went for it. I was just going to go and be myself. When I went there, I wasn’t afraid of anything. During the introduction when I had to introduce myself, I just thought that I wanted to stand out. I just said to everyone, “I'm older than all of you in here. I have two children at home. And they're both named after famous baseball, iconic, historical things. My son is Nolan named after Nolan Ryan. And my daughter is named Wrigley after Wrigley Field.” And that stuck with everybody. Later on, there were people who didn’t interview me who asked about that. I thought that was cool. 

Now are back to organic chemistry. I had enrolled in it thinking I was not going to get in this cycle. It was an online, self-paced course and we had 8 months to finish it. At that point, I got the call on a Monday from Campbell that I was accepted. And I was fired up and excited. Then I remembered that they had an organic chemistry requirement, but I was already enrolled in it, so that was good. But it was November 6th, and they needed everything done by the end of November! So I told my wife, and she was like, “There is no way you are not going to do it. You’ve come so far.” She was so supportive. At that point, I just needed to pass the class. I did not work those entire 3 weeks. I would wake up everyday at 4:30 in the morning, study until my kids got up, get them ready for school, and then everyday, I studied until 4:30 pm. I didn’t feel good during that. I was just so sedentary, reading and reading and reading and drawing all those hexagons. I planned to take a test every 2-3 days because there were 5 tests total, and you got to take each test twice. I would take the first once, and I planned to take it no matter what. The first pass gave me some exposure to the material. The first two tests went great, and the third one wasn’t good. Then I rebounded. So at the end, I passed, and now we are here. So it can be done. I took me 3 weeks. I would not recommend it. I basically had to just make it happen. 

Savanna: This is why I always say like, do not put a course on your application if you are not actually taking it or planning to complete it. I’ve talked to a few people who had to give up their acceptance because their acceptance was pending completing of passing this one specific course! And at that point, they either couldn’t enroll in the class or couldn’t complete it in time. Your wife sounds super supportive by the way! Also, can you share which online school you used?

Sean: Yeah, we moved across the country, left her job, all that. She is second to none! And I took the organic chemistry course at University of New England. It was expensive, but it was great. It's super user friendly, and very flexible!

Savanna: Okay I’ve heard of that one! So go back to your mindset when you were trying to decide if this is something you wanted to do. What tips would you give to others in your situation? Someone who has a pretty stable career, maybe a family, but has other interests in medicine or becoming a PA?

Sean: Well one of the things I had was the support from my family. My wife carried the weight of me worrying and financially quitting my job going from two incomes to one. I don’t think we could have done it if my son had not started kindergarten; we had to have daycare. And daycare is like a mortgage. The timeline wouldn’t have worked out, and I would’ve had to wait longer. But you got to make sure you've got a financial plan. And you gotta have support from your family, and I also had support from my extended family – my mom and my aunt Kelly were absolute saints. So my advice for others in my situation is to go for it. It sounds generic, but you can sit there and think you are going to do it when you are ready. But if you wait until you are ready, you will never do it. I don’t even know if I’m ready right now! And I start PA school this week. 

But if I could change anything about it, I wouldn't. I thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. In fact, I was just talking to my wife. She asked how I feel about starting school this week, and I actually said that the journey to get here was such a road, and that has all been lifted from my shoulders. But I kind of miss it in a way. And now it’s going to be a different journey. It just seems surreal that this is all happening. And I wouldn’t change a thing about it. 

Savanna: So what are you most nervous about with PA school?

Sean: I think it’s quantity of work with being a dad. Basically I’m going to have Saturdays open, and that’s family time. That’s how I’ve operated through all of this, and that won’t change, period. It’s just going to be lack of sleep and all that. I’m not necessarily afraid of the material because I am so excited. I think being 33 and having a set goal and leaving a career… Just being a student is nothing compared to tacking on your full-time job and being a parent. I think I’m in a different set of circumstances than if I was 23. So I'm just a little bit afraid of the balance. My wife is super supportive, and we have talked about didactic year being THE year. It’s more of the unknown than anything. If you give me a month, I feel like I’ll be more adjusted. 

If you are a non-traditional applicant make sure to check out my Youtube video the Non-traditional PA School Applicant and How to Handle Anxiety in PA School with Deceleration and make sure to check out my interview with Neurology PA and Non-Traditional PA Applicant, Brie!


5 Tips for Nailing Your PA School Interviews

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Congratulations you got an interview! Don’t forget to realize that you were selected out of a vast range of other competitive students from around the world. Realize that after you finish your interview, no matter what happens you already made it to a beautiful and huge milestone. Do not forget to be mindful and enjoy this amazing day. If you're worried about making a great impression during your interviews, here are some tips that will help you showcase the very best version of yourself.

#1: REMAIN CALM

If you mess up on something it’s not a big deal, just smile and remain calm and confident. Freaking out or panicking will just make you and the situation worse. You will feel like you did poorly on some questions and excelled in others. Don’t take things so seriously; everyone is going to be extremely nervous, including yourself. You’ll look back and laugh at the parts you thought you messed up on, don’t worry this is all temporary, enjoy it, you’ll never get these uncomfortable growing pains back. Smiling and remaining calm could bring light to yourself and the situation. Instead learn from it, when you leave the interview, take a moment to process and soak in what your weaknesses and strengths were so you can practice, emphasize and tackle them to conduct yourself even better for your next interviews.

#2: MOCK INTERVIEWS 

Start to practice interview questions by yourself in front of the mirror, have a friend or family member do mock interviews with you so that you begin to get the hang of interviews. Try your best and practice a few weeks before the interview. It is also a good idea to research the school that you are about to interview at and see what their specific program is known for so that you can try and incorporate that into some of your answers. Knowing this could be a huge advantage for you during the interview process and can make you stand out. 

#3: BODY LANGUAGE

Body language is immeasurable in all forms of communication, especially when you are meeting new people. Your demeanor, energy and confidence introduce itself even before you speak. Make sure that you obviously do not act out of your character or do not try to be someone or something that you are not, but try to be mindful of your posture, gestures, and body language. Try to catch yourself when you are starting to slouch/curve forward or crossing your arms. Crossing your arms can show that you seem insecure or that you are going into a defense mechanism, it does not give an inviting feel. Stay calm and relaxed, especially when speaking. Sometimes when people get nervous they tend to talk too fast or blab on when not necessary, be cautious of that, sometimes less is more. Don’t get me wrong, all of this is said easier than done, but at least trying to be conscious and mindful of it definitely does help keep you calm. 

#4: POSITIVE ENERGY & DEAMENOR 

You would be surprised how much your demeanor affects you and the energy that you carry and convey. Keep your head raised high, and smile throughout the day so that you seem approachable. Don’t think that you are acting or doing this for others. This is actually for yourself; this is the energy that you will begin to attract. You have many opportunities that day for networking, growth, and absorbing new insights, so do not forget that your mindset, energy and thought process is what is actually leading you throughout your interview process. Take advantage of your interview day/days and keep a good and positive energy flowing internally and externally so that you can attract what you want. 

#5: BE YOURSELF 

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At this point the school has invited you in for an interview to see who you are. Essentially in the medical field you are going to need to try to connect to your patients, but many times it is while you are under pressure. So during the interview process they want to see how well you work under pressure, while simultaneously maintaining staying empathetic and logical. This is your time to communicate & just be yourself. Let your personality naturally shine through.  It is actually way harder to be someone or something that you are not. Talk about what you’re passionate about. Elaborate on some experience that means a lot to you or something that has shaped you to become who you are today. The people interviewing you can sense your energy and your body language, don’t forget that. So if you’re authentically being yourself and talking about something that really resonates with you, they will pick up on how genuine you are on that. You know who are you are, don’t forget how far you have come and don’t doubt yourself, you got this! 

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You should be proud of yourself for who you are and how far you have come. Many other students could have been invited for an interview, but YOU were. Celebrate all the big wins, little wins and those in between. Don’t be too hard on yourself. Don’t compare yourself to other students; everyone has their own journey and timing.  Don’t forget that you are only human, you are not perfect, but you are not your mistakes either. You did the best you could do in that moment with the knowledge that you knew. Remember, you are not in control of everything; you obviously have to work hard and try your best, but then let go and let things work itself out. Everything is going to be all right, sometimes even better than you expected. 


About the author:

Melissa Lilian Elist is currently a physician assistant student at University of California, Davis, cohort of 2021. She holds a B.A. in Sociology and an emphasis in Disability Studies from University of California, Los Angeles. She is a preventative care advocate and is very proactive in mindfulness, consciousness, and self-love. You can find Melissa on Instagram @melissaelist and reach her via email at melissaelist@gmail.com



Moving for PA School and Choosing an MPH/PA Program with Mansi 

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This post is a transcription of a Pre-PA Club Podcast with Mansi. To listen to this podcast, click here.

Mansi: Hi everyone! My name is Mansi. I am a recent graduate from University of Georgia. I just graduated this past May with a Bachelor of Science in Health Promotion in the College of Public Health. I've been taking my gap year since then, just trying to get my patient care hours and also applying at the same time. I applied this past cycle, and I am currently working as a medical assistant at a pediatric and primary care office. I'm actually the lead medical assistant there, so I get to do a lot of training, working with different people, and a lot of admin type stuff too. But I enjoy it! And my time there is ending soon. But as you all know, as everything with COVID continues, I might be working there for longer. Who knows! 

Savanna: I’ve only taken one health promotion class because my roommate was a health promotion major, and we wanted to take a class together. I think that was one of the first years they offered the major. But now it seems very popular. 

Mansi: Yeah, it's getting really popular, especially with public health kind of coming back up. I think a lot of people are getting more interested in it. And I got to do a lot of kind of advocacy for the major throughout my time there, so I definitely was able to help recruit more people in it. It was really fun. I really enjoyed my time! 

Savanna: Did you go into school as a health promotion major, or what made you choose that over something like biology or chemistry? 

Mansi: I actually went into school as a biology major, just like everybody else. I was interested in medicine and healthcare. But I actually took a sociology course, which was part of the different requirements for the biology major. In the sociology course, there was a section about medical sociology, and we focused mainly on public health during that time. Even though it was only like two weeks, I became super interested in public health that way. I had never really heard of public health as a career, so I did more research about it. I didn't even know that UGA had a School of Public Health because it was so small. That convinced me to change my major because of how interested I was in it. So, I was like, “I should probably change my major, explore a little bit more into that.” I changed my major going into sophomore year of college. 

Savanna: So tell us a little bit about your application cycle and what that was like. 

Mansi: I took my GRE in November of 2018; that was fall of my senior year. I actually decided on the PA track between sophomore and junior year, so it took me a little bit of time to get into the mindset of everything I needed to check off in terms of my application. Throughout my spring semester of senior year, I did an internship, as a clinical research assistant, and it was actually pretty time consuming. So, I didn't have any time to apply, which was one of my biggest regrets now. I actually applied really late; I submitted my CASPA for my current program sometime in early July, which was really stressful. When I finished my internship, I spent about a month to a month and a half working on my personal statement. In my major, we had to write a lot of different papers and projects. I was on the faster side of getting my personal statement done, but I did have to go through several edits. Once I had my personal statement done, it took me about two weeks to finish the CASPA including the transcript entry. All in all I applied early July, and I received my interview invite around the end of October. It definitely took its sweet time getting processed! I interviewed in mid-November and was accepted 10 days later. Ever since then, I've just been a little relieved. For most of my summer, it was just peak stress level with my job and trying to submit everything on time. 

Savanna: It's stressful! I was just doing a talk about CASPA. It’s hard to explain, but it’s tedious. So how many schools did you apply to? 

Mansi: So I applied to 22. I actually applied to a lot against everyone else's advice. I think my main issue was because I was applying so late. I wanted to kind of make sure that I really didn't want to apply twice; that was my main thing. That’s another reason as to why my application period was so stressful because of all the supplementals I was filling out. Luckily, the physician I work for was super super supportive, and she let me take off as many days as allotted for interviews. So I was offered 11 interviews, to which I declined 3 of them. Out of the ones that I went to, I was accepted to five programs. I was definitely very busy, but I genuinely enjoy interviews so much more. It was actually probably the most enjoyable part of the application cycle. I loved getting to meet new people and talking to different program faculty. 

Savanna: I loved interviews too, which I think is kind of weird. But I'm like right there with you. Well, that’s impressive! 

Mansi: I was not expecting that at all when I applied because that's that's the main reason I applied to so many. I was expecting to get responses from maybe 3, if I was lucky. 

Savanna: So you were in the fortunate spot of getting to decide on a program! So what were you looking for? Did you go to any interviews and feel like, “yeah I don't want to go there.” Or did you ever feel like you knew instantly? What did you use to decide? 

Mansi: So the main thing I thought about during my interviews was the feel of the school. During my very first interview, I was a nervous wreck. I wasn't really paying attention to anything other than my own performance and how I thought I did. However, as I went on during the interview process, I really was able to get a good feel of the faculty, the campus, the different resources I would have, so location was actually a big thing for me. I've been in Georgia for the majority of my life. While I do have ties here, I didn't mind having the opportunity to explore and go to different cities especially because PA school is only 2-2.5 years. In addition, I really wanted to be in a big city where I would be able to access to multi-specialty hospitals for my rotations. I also considered the kind of faculty at the programs and how I felt while talking to them. Another big consideration I looked at was the alumni outlook. For a lot of the programs I interviewed at, we were able to speak to PA students and alumni, which gave me huge insight into how well the program could prepare me to go into my career. So, a lot of schools that I went to interviews for Actually, we got to speak to. Obviously I paid attention to the PANCE pass rate, class size, the student-faculty ratio, and those other main topics. 

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Savanna: That’s awesome. Congratulations! So the program you will be attending -- it’s a PA/MPH program right? Does this make it longer to get the additional public health degree? 

Mansi: Yes it does. I'll be attending George Washington University, and it's a PA/MPH dual degree, so it’ll actually take 3 years. 

Savanna: Is that optional or does everyone do that? 

Mansi: There was an extra part of the application that you fill out if you choose to apply for the additional MPH degree. I did that just because I want to have that dual degree going into my PA career. The interview itself was the same for all students; I interviewed with other students who were applying to be just in the PA program. So the MPH adds 1 whole year to the program, which is the first year. The second year will be the PA didactic year, and the 3rd year will be the PA clinical year. 

Savanna: Okay, cool. Did you apply to any other MPH programs? 

Mansi: Yeah, I actually got accepted to Nova Southeastern. They have an MPH option, so you can choose that once you are a student. So I was looking into that option as well. Being in D.C. was my main factor that made me choose GW. It really sold me due to the location, especially being in the public health area and being near the policy making capital. 

Savanna: Great! So you do have a lot of interview experience. Throughout your interviews, did anything come up from your application? Like was there anything that you feel really made you stand out, or anything that was a red flag that kept coming up? 

Mansi: Yeah! One of the main things was definitely the organic chemistry series. I didn't do well on those at all during school, so during my interviews, I made sure to bring those up. If it ever came up or if the conversation surrounded academics or GPA, I definitely brought that up. And everybody received it really well. I wasn’t grilled. I think they definitely appreciate that I brought it up and owned up to it. Another red flag would have to be my patient care hours. Going into my application cycle, I only had about 1200 hours. I was kind of nervous for some of the schools that didn't count forward those hours, so I made sure to apply to schools that do count forward. And if a school had a certain cap, I just wouldn't apply to those, especially some of my reach schools that had averages of 4,000-5,000 hours for their accepted students. For me it was a red flag just because I didn't feel like I was strong in that aspect. But I would say I was able to turn it into a pro because I talked about the quality of my patient care hours and how much I was able to do as a medical assistant in a small practice without many staff members. We were able to get insight into all different aspects of the clinic and how it ran. 

Savanna: Yeah, I feel like everyone has things in their application -- organic chemistry was mine too! So I think it's interesting, like I never really looked at schools that had public health options, but I think the whole idea of it's really interesting. It would be very helpful. As someone who already has some public health knowledge, how do you feel that will help you in your career as a PA? 

Mansi: So, I want to say my undergrad major really gave me the background that I needed in order to go into clinical medicine and look at different things that make a patient. You know, look at a patient more holistically in that aspect. That definitely was one of the reasons why I was interested in getting an MPH. But I want to say the reason why I chose to do MPH in general was that I really want to be able to push my scope of practice as a PA once I go into the career. I have a lot of different interests - maybe pursue research in the future, be in hospital leadership, or, depending on how things go, 

maybe form a public health program specifically for a target population that I have in mind. I felt that having an MPH would help me be able to achieve those things. 

Savanna: Yeah that’s great. I think more and more people are choosing that as an option, which is really cool. And more programs are offering it. So let’s talk a bit about how you'll be moving from Georgia to D.C. at some unknown time in the future. Is there anything you've done to prepare for that? How do you plan that move that’s very far away with having to get everything in order? What steps have you taken? 

Mansi: I’ve networked a lot, so I talked to a lot of people who I know that have personally moved from Georgia to D.C. I reached out and talked to them about their position. Actually, I got really lucky, and there's a girl who's older than me in the program. She also went to UGA, so our journeys were very similar. She’s a year ahead of me, so I was able to kind of connect with her. She walked me through the different nuances of what life in D.C. is like. I think cost of living is a big thing. I know D.C. is an expensive city, so that was a huge adjustment for her. I’m looking into that as well. Obviously, I know there will be some sort of culture shock going from the South to the center of America’s capital. I’m definitely looking forward to that, but I think I'm ready for it, especially because I've lived here for a long time. So I definitely want to get that exposure by living somewhere else. And in terms of kind of preparing to actually move up there, I'm connected with people from my program to make my circle a little bit smaller and a bit more familiar. I've actually found a roommate as well. So I'm hopefully going to start making those social connections as well which I think will make the move a lot easier. 

Savanna: That’s so exciting! So, where do you see yourself ending up? I know it’s hard to know and it’ll probably change, but what are your thoughts on that after school? 

Mansi: I know it's hard to say right now, and I do want to keep my options open. I Definitely I know rotations are gonna change my mind. Right now, the clinic I work at sees a lot of asthma patients because I work for a pediatric pulmonologist. We kind of the routine pediatric visits but also very severe asthma cases. I know as of now, I am really interested in pulmonology. Although, I don't know if that's where I see myself ending up, but that is one of my interests. And definitely with the coronavirus going on, I do see myself more and more into critical care and wanting to learn more about it. I was actually able to shadow a critical care physician assistant during my application time, so I got to see a little bit of that as well. I think I've gotten a little taste of both worlds. So that's where I’m leaning towards right now. 

Savanna: Okay, sounds good! And where can we find you and follow along? 

Mansi: I recently created a blog on Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/mansithepa/. I'll just be posting things about my life, about my journey, about my program, and trying to help out other pre-PAs as well. Thank you for having me! It was really fun. 

Accepted: Natasha - University of Washington

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Undergraduate education: BA Media and Communications at the University of New South Wales (Australia)

Overall GPA: 2.96 (last 60 credits: 3.60)

Science GPA: 3.39

GRE: 300

Total PCE hours: 11,000+ as a Medical Assistant/ X-ray Technician

Shadowing hours: 296 (from PA's in different fields: urgent care, primary care, neurology, women's health, and an MD)

Volunteer hours: 213

LORs: 2 PA's, 2 MD's, 1 Biology Professor

How many times did you apply?:  2

Age: 29

Gender: Female

How many programs did you apply to? 13

How many programs did you interview with and what were the outcomes? 1, accepted! - it only takes one! :)

Where will you be attending? University of Washington

Anything you found surprising about interviews? Surprisingly, they really just want to get to know you. The focus won't be on your stats, that only gets your foot in the door, it's about how your personality will fit the rest of the cohort, they look at you as a future student and colleague. The interviewers will thoroughly review your application so make sure you know it by heart and can answer questions based on your answers. I had a group interview which consisted of different interview panels, and the common theme with each panel is interviewers building upon your answers by asking follow up questions. It was more conversation like so as long as you're confident and know your application inside out it will be smooth sailing. The faculty is also aware of how stressful the day is for everyone so they tend to be more accommodating and comforting.

Were there any helpful resources (books, websites, apps, etc...) that you used to get through prerequisite courses, the application or the interview process? The PA Platform, Physician Assistant School Interview Guide, Physician Assistant Forum, beaphysicianassistant.com, thepalife.com, mock interview service with the PA Platform, Instagram of various PAs

Any other advice for other pre-PA students? Don't stress by comparing yourself to other pre-pa students. We all have our own journey that makes us unique and worthy to be a PA. I am not by any means a traditional PA applicant, at times that discouraged me but I kept on persevering. Never give up, there will be that one school that is a perfect match for your vision and goals as a future PA. Find your niche and make sure that shines, find something that will make you unforgettable, it doesn't even have to be medically related but anything that will make you stand out, it can be as simple as you make your own jewelry, or cook for your dog, anything that will make the interviewers remember you. It's already a given that we are passionate about this profession and this is the career for us so make sure you don't only focus on that aspect during the interviews or even while writing your personal statement. Make your personality shine!

Where can we find you? Instagram: @vs22mix


Accepted: Aubrie - Marshall B. Ketchum University

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Undergraduate education: San Diego State University - Kinesiology Pre-PT and Honors Minor in Interdisciplinary Studies

Overall GPA: 3.75

Science GPA: 3.63

GRE: Did not take

Total PCE hours: ~1,600

Total HCE hours: 70

Shadowing hours: 52

Volunteer hours: ~1,200 - Pre-PA Peer Mentor, Pre-PA Organization president, MDA Summer Camp, misc

LORs: 4 - PA, clinical director of the clinic I volunteered at, advisor and music professor from my school abroad

How many times did you apply?:  1

Age: 22

Gender: Female

Why PA? I have always been interested in anatomy and science, but I didn’t really consider using that interest to help others until my last year of high school. After I started my first PCE role, interacted with patients and networked with PAs through our pre-PA club, it just felt right. Also, I have an interest in becoming a travel PA and I really loved that this career will let me do that AND change specialties without extra schooling while doing so.

How many programs did you apply to? 4...risky, I know!

How many programs did you interview with and what were the outcomes?One and done!

Where will you be attending? Marshall B. Ketchum University

Anything you found surprising about interviews? My interview was very causal and we got off topic quite a bit. It really just felt like a conversation with other adults in a more professional setting. They truly just wanted to know who I was as a person!

Were there any helpful resources (books, websites, apps) you used to get through prerequisite courses, the application or interview process? Of course, @thepaplatform’s interview book was extremely helpful! But honestly, just networking on Instagram helped me SO much. I would also get involved in your pre-PA club on campus.

Any other advice for other pre-PA students? The path to getting into PA school is not an easy one. You will have to put in a lot of hard work and sacrifice a lot as well, however, it is SO worth it when you see those words, “Congratulations! You’ve been accepted”. I highly recommend having at least one pre-health friend so you have someone to vent to and study with, especially since they’ll really understand the dedication you need to have to get into school. Also, I recommend creating a spreadsheet of schools you’d like to apply to early on so you can focus on those schools and what they’re looking for! It can get overwhelming to prepare for school if you don’t have your school choices narrowed down.

Where can we find you? YouTube: Aubrie Jones and Instagram: @whitecoatchasing


Accepted: Matthieu - University of Tennessee Health Science Center

 
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Undergraduate education: University of Florida

Overall GPA: 3.53

Science GPA: 3.4

GRE: 300

Total PCE hours: 1,450

Total HCE hours: 0

Shadowing hours: 63

Volunteer hours: 310

LORs: 5 ( 2 PA, 1 MD, 1 clinical supervisor, 1 Founder of an international public health organization)

How many times did you apply?:  1

Age: 22

Gender: Male

Why PA? I truly wanted to begin a career in medicine that would allow me to play a big role in decision making as well as give the ability to gain experience in different specialties.

How many programs did you apply to? 12

How many programs did you interview with and what were the outcomes? 12 applications 7 total interview offers 5 denied application submission 4 declined interview offers 3 attended interviews 2 acceptances

Where will you be attending? University of Tennessee Health Science Center

Anything you found surprising about interviews? Being yourself is strongly suggested because it’s true! Faculty really want to learn about the real you and learn everything about you that’s not on the application.

Any other advice for other pre-PA students? Stay positive and trust the process!

Where can we find you? IG: Personal @_mattyymatt Medical: @_mattymeds



Accepted: Ariana - Stony Brook University

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Undergraduate education: I received my Bachelor of Science in Biomedical Science from the University at Buffalo.

Overall GPA: 3.82

Science GPA: 3.82

GRE: I chose to not take the GRE

Total PCE hours: At the time of application: ~2500 hours as a Medical Assistant and Phlebotomist at a primary care office.

Total HCE hours: At the time of application: ~60 hours as a hospital volunteer.

Shadowing hours: ~110 hours shadowing a PA-C working in primary care.

Volunteer hours: I have some teaching experience: I worked approximately 100 hours as a teaching assistant for a human anatomy course during my undergraduate career.

LORs: 2 from D.O's that I have worked directly under through my job, 1 from the physician assistant I shadowed and worked with, and 1 from my office supervisor.

How many times did you apply?:  Once!

Age: 23

Gender: Female

How many programs did you apply to? 11

How many programs did you interview with and what were the outcomes? I received 8 interview invitations. Of those 8, I attended 5 of them and in the end I was accepted to 4 programs and waitlisted at 1.

Where will you be attending? Stony Brook University

Anything you found surprising about interviews? I was very surprised at the great effort the programs put in to make everyone who was interviewing feel more at ease. They truly just want to get to know you!

Were there any helpful resources (books, websites, apps) you used to get through prerequisite courses, the application or interview process? To prepare, I used the PA Interview Guide by Savanna Perry, which I definitely recommend. I also watched some interview practice videos on Youtube, which were helpful as well.

Any other advice for other pre-PA students? Clinical experiences are very important. Don't be afraid to take a gap year if you need to! At your interviews, ask as many questions as you can. I met some of the current PA students at all of the programs I interviewed with and asking them about their experiences (what they liked/disliked about the program, their classes, professors, clinical rotations, living situations, etc) really helped me in making my decision! Also, most importantly, I know this sounds cliché but BE YOURSELF! :)


Where can we find you? @arianitaalmonte


Accepted: Paige - Campbell University

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Undergraduate education: Rehabilitation Science at the University of Pittsburgh

Overall GPA: 3.5

Science GPA: 3.36

GRE: 307 (156 verbal and 151 quant)

Total PCE hours: 2,000 - I did a lot of jobs: the bulk of my hours was as a patient care technician on a trauma and toxicology unit but I was also a sitter, personal care assistant for a man with quadriplegia, worked as a NA at a nursing home, and attended a medical mission trip in Honduras through Global Brigades.

Total HCE hours: 920 - volunteering in a hospital and studying comparative healthcare abroad

Shadowing hours: 70 - I shadowed 7 different specialties which gave me a lot to talk about!

Volunteer hours: 204

LORs: 1. Study Abroad Professor 2. Professor I did research with who is also a PA 3. Peds PA 4. Clinician at work

How many times did you apply?:  2

Age: 23

Gender: Female

Why PA? I think the PA profession is really valuable in its ability to help close the gap with physician shortages and provide excellent, competent care to underserved areas. Aside from that - I love the collaborative nature of the profession while still being able to remain relatively autonomous! I also love that you never have to remain in one specialty your whole life and can explore so many areas of medicine.

How many programs did you apply to? 8

How many programs did you interview with and what were the outcomes? 3- 1 immediate acceptance (University of Pittsburgh) and two waitlists that turned into acceptance (Campbell University and Milligan College)

Where will you be attending? Campbell University

Anything you found surprising about interviews? I did a lot of research about each program that I interviewed at beforehand so that I wouldn’t be overwhelming surprised by anything. The only thing was that each interviewer truly knew nothing about me or my application.

Were there any helpful resources (books, websites, apps) you used to get through prerequisite courses, the application or interview process? Physician Assistant School Interview Guide by Savannah Perry and How to Ace the Physician Assistant School Interview by Andrew Rodican

Any other advice for other pre-PA students? Don’t be afraid to bug the programs you’re interested in! Don’t over do it but it’s okay to call them/email them to give them updates. They get thousands of applications, since I didn’t have a strong GPA I still wanted them to read my application because I knew I had a lot to offer in other areas. I ended up having to pitch myself to a program over the phone and that’s how I got an interview!


Accepted: Brittany - Johnson and Wales University

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Undergraduate education: Kinesiology

Overall GPA: 3.89

Science GPA: 3.7

GRE: 405

Total PCE hours: 4,000

Total HCE hours: 100

Shadowing hours: 200

LORs: 4: two PA’s, 1 doctor, 1 college professor

How many times did you apply?:  1

Age: 24

Gender: Female

Why PA? Lateral mobility, more one-on-one patient interaction, high autonomy

How many programs did you apply to? 12

How many programs did you interview with and what were the outcomes? 6 invites, 4 interviews, one waitlist and 3 acceptances

Where will you be attending? Johnson and Wales University

Anything you found surprising about interviews? It was a really relaxed environment and the programs really just want to know who you are!

Were there any helpful resources (books, websites, apps) you used to get through prerequisite courses, the application or interview process? PA school interview guide- Savannah Perry

The PA Platform Podcast


Accepted: Chianti - Northern Arizona University

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Undergraduate education: Bachelors in Medical Laboratory Science from Arizona State University

Overall GPA: 3.8

Science GPA: 3.8

GRE: 309

Total PCE hours: 1500 at time of application (2000+ by matriculation)

Total HCE hours: 630 hours as a lab technologist and ICU volunteer

Shadowing hours: 120 (general surgery and orthopedic surgery PAs)

Volunteer hours: 350 volunteering hours. 250 research hours

LORs: 1 from a PA, 1 from an MD I did research under, 1 from the academic director of my lab science program

How many times did you apply?:  1

Age: 22

Gender: Female

Why PA? The lateral mobility and opportunity to provide high quality patient care with a large scope.

How many programs did you apply to? 10

How many programs did you interview with and what were the outcomes? Offered 8 interviews, attended 4, and was accepted at all 4.

Where will you be attending? Northern Arizona University at the downtown Phoenix Biomedical Campus

Were there any helpful resources (books, websites, apps) you used to get through prerequisite courses, the application or interview process? The pa platform book & Reddit’s prepa forumn!

Any other advice for other pre-PA students? My EMS experience was incredibly valuable to me and I highly recommend it for anyone searching for excellent PCE. Being in the field will prepare you for extremely stressful situations and challenge you to grow.

How to Prepare Yourself in Undergrad for a Stress-Free PA School Application Process - Guest Post by Kay Horan

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If you are about to begin your undergraduate degree, or if you are currently amidst your college career, and you plan on going to PA school, start here! There are some key elements that you should have prepared before you begin applying to physician assistant programs.

The biggest tip I can give is to start. preparing. early. The importance of organizing early and planning ahead is insurmountable and makes the process of applying way less taxing. 

So, where do you start?

Let me break down the key elements, in order of importance, that you need to focus on throughout your undergraduate career to make everything a breeze when you start applying to PA school!

1.GPA: focusing on your GPA is vital. I suggest starting to prioritize your grades early (especially in your science courses), rather than leaving it all to your senior year when you have to bump up your GPA. This will pay off in the end when you have a decent GPA, which is the very first thing that PA programs look at. If you don’t meet their minimum GPA requirement, your application is immediately put to the side (harsh, but true). 

2. Prerequisites: I would meet with your advisor to schedule your classes for each semester. This will help you have full confidence that you will graduate with the necessary class credits to be able to apply to PA school. Do this your freshman or sophomore year, preferably. If you decide that you want to take the route of a career as a physician assistant later than this timeframe, that’s totally fine and doable! But, definitely meet with your advisor to see how many classes you may be missing. Here’s what I did personally; 

  • I bought the Applicant’s Manual of Physician Assistant Programs and flagged the pages of whichever programs appealed to me. The book has a comprehensive breakdown of every program in the country and provides important details like the program start date, tuition, GRE requirements, and minimum required clinical hours. Rather than searching every program’s website for all of this, this manual has it all summarized simply and clearly.

  • I then made a list of the classes that these programs required. I made sure I had every required class so that no matter what school I applied to, I wasn’t going to be missing any classes. Most schools have common pre-requisites but some require a class or two that may sneak up on you so keep an eye out for those! Here are the most common pre-reqs you will see:

  1. Human Anatomy and Physiology I & II (both with labs)

  2. Chemistry I & II (both with labs)

  3. Organic Chemistry I w/ lab

  4. Statistics: 3 credits

  5. Microbiology w/ lab

  6. Psychology: 3 credits

  7. Medical terminology: 3 credits

3. Patient care experience (PCE): this component of your application is one of the most important. Many programs require you to have a minimum of anywhere from 500-2,000 hours (1/2 – 2 years working full-time) of hands-on medical experience to apply to their program. Any extra experience on top of that makes you a competitive applicant. Although this seems daunting, it is easier to tackle if you begin early. There are many different positions that will get you the experience you need and that qualify as “hands-on” patient care. Here’s a few to start you off: 

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  • Medical Assistant

  • Certified Nurse Aide

  • Physical Therapy Aide

  • ED Tech

  • EMT

I know the feat of accumulating hundreds and even thousands of hours of patient care experience while also being a full time student seems nearly impossible, but I promise it’s possible if you break it up into smaller chunks.

Tip: Working when you’re on college breaks is a great way to do this and is what I did personally!

4. Letters of recommendation (LORs): LORs are very important to start thinking about early on in your undergrad career. When you start taking your core science courses and prereqs, work on creating a good relationship with your professor and doing well in these classes. If you go to a larger university like I did, make sure to go to your professor’s office hours so they know who you are. I went to every one of my professor’s office hours that I could for my Organic Chemistry I & II classes before I asked her to write my letter. 

Important note– ask your chosen professor EARLY if they will write your letter of recommendation for you. Give them at least a couple months heads up before you ask them. Have your resume ready for them to refer to and have a list of your programs you will be applying to as well as their application due dates. 

*Pro tip*: college professors are always busy so give them a due date that is actually a few weeks before the actual due date just in case they are late in completing it! Also, send them a quick email a week before it’s due to remind them that the due date is approaching. 

5. GRE: Many schools require their applicants to have taken the GRE and some require a minimum score as well. Definitely take the GRE just to be safe so you don’t limit your options. I recommend taking the GRE anywhere from 3-6 months prior to applying. As far as actually studying for the test, I bought the Kaplan GRE Prep Plus Book which was plenty of study material to help me do well on the test. The book comes with access to online resources and practice exams as well. My biggest advice is to do PRACTICE TESTS. Yes, practice tests are the worst, but it was the most important step I took to do well on test day.

6. Personal statement: Your personal statement is something I would just simply start to think about around a year before you apply to programs. I personally began thinking about what I wanted to write about for my personal statement very early on. I started simply by making a document on my phone called “brain dump”. This consisted of random ideas that had popped into my head for topics for my personal statement. It also had some experiences during my medical experiences that I thought could be useful to incorporate into my essay in the future.

In this way, I wouldn’t forget my brilliant idea and I knew I could come back to this document at a later date when I was ready to start. This helped SO. MUCH. Also, definitely use your university’s writing center if they have one. I brought my personal statement to my school’s writing center probably 5 different times. I also had several different versions of it before I was happy with it. Writing your personal statement is not something you want to rush or to be stressing over right before you have to apply. Take your time with it!

*A few other tips I found super helpful that I did before I applied!!*

MAKE AN EXCEL SHEET!

I created an excel sheet years before applying to keep track of all of my medical experience hours. I began tracking everything as a freshman in college. What I personally kept track of was as follows:

  • Shadowing hours

  • PCE hours

  • Volunteering

  • Research (if applicable)

For each category, write in separate columns:

  • Name and position of your supervisor/who you shadowed

  • Supervisor contact information

  • Location and specialty in which you shadowed/worked

  • Your job title and responsibilities

  • How many hours you completed

  • The actual dates of the experience

Having all of the information about your many hours of healthcare experiences already written down is so helpful so all you have to do is input it into the CASPA application when the time comes! Having the amount of hours you completed is especially helpful so you don’t have to do the math when it comes time to apply.

I also recommend including a -notes- section where you can debrief about each of your experiences. Here, you can include what you saw, something you learned, a story that moved you, or really anything that stood out to you. This will help in 2 HUGE WAYS:

  1. Your personal statement: The notes section for each medical experience comes in handy when you have to reflect on your many hours of shadowing, working, or volunteering. I personally would not have remembered anything about what I did, what I learned, or any specific stories if it wasn’t for this log. I was able to read my notes and see if anything stood out that could be used to include in my personal statement. Moments like this can be used as a personal growth moment or an emotional story that would add depth to my essay. 

  2. The interview: Having this log can he beneficial when it comes time to interview if you are granted one (yay!). You can scan over your experiences and how it benefitted you and what you learned from each one so you are prepared to answer any in depth personal development question in your interview. 

Another great tip!!

Create a CASPA account EARLY!

I made a CASPA account wayyyy before I actually applied. In this way, I was able to get familiar with the website itself, see what information I needed to be able to fill out the app successfully, and to even start inputting my medical experiences and classes. Putting these experiences in little by little makes it easier when it comes time to actually submit your app and you’ll be way less overwhelmed.

That’s all y’all

Overall, all of these requirements will be necessary for you to be a great applicant, which in turn a great student, and a great PA in the future. You wouldn’t be able to get all these requirements done if you weren’t 100% committed to and passionate about the PA profession. That’s all the admission committee needs to see. Keep your end goal in mind and stay driven. Persistence, grit, patience, passion, and dedication is KEY!

I hope this helps and gives you ideas in how to prepare early for your application. I personally followed all of these suggestions and I was stress-free when it came time to apply. Right when the application cycle opens, you will have everything already inserted and ready to go and all you have to do is press submit! This then ensures that you are one of the earlier applicants, which for programs with rolling admissions, is extremely beneficial and increases your chances of being accepted! Woohoo!

Thanks for reading,

Kay

www.panamedkay.com


Accepted: Carly - Midwestern University

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Undergraduate education: Boise State University: Respiratory Care

Overall GPA: 3.9

Science GPA: 3.86

GRE: 314, 4.5 writing

Total PCE hours: 2000+ as a Respiratory Therapist.

Total HCE hours: 700+ hours of student clinical rotations.

Shadowing hours: 66

Volunteer Hours: 200+ hours volunteering through Tri Delta!

LORs: My RT manager, a shift supervisor, Trauma PA, and a professor from my Respiratory Care program.

How many times did you apply?:  1

Age: 22

Gender: Female

Why PA? So that I can be a better advocate for the patients that trust me with their health, and provide the best patient care possible.

How many programs did you apply to? 12

How many programs did you interview with and what were the outcomes? 9 interview invites, I interviewed at 4. I had two acceptances, and two waitlists (still waiting to hear).

Where will you be attending? Midwestern University in Glendale, AZ

Anything you found surprising about interviews? How conversational many of the interviews were- they really wanted to talk and get a genuine understanding of how you interact with others. I was shocked at how much fun I actually had during the process!

Were there any helpful resources (books, websites, apps) you used to get through prerequisite courses, the application or interview process? The PA Platform interview guide and online interview course! I also used PAEA to research schools before deciding where to apply.

Any other advice for other pre-PA students? Don't over rehearse your answers and be confident in what your passions are. Everyone has their own timeline so don't worry if you're on a different path than others! Have fun with the process and know that it will be worth it in the end!

Where can we find you? @breathe.prn on insta!